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[Austin]

I'll bump Jerry on the above post. Winchester's Big 300 will do it all and then some. I shoot a 300 for my elk and moose gun most of the time, and it's hard to beat. The 300 Ultra WILL give you some velocity, but not a REALLY noticeable improvement in a factory rifle. My father has the same problem as you with a plate and he shoots my 300 with a Vais Muzzle Brake on it like it was a 243. I also have a match rifle chambered in 300WM and it's been great thus far (though I haven't actually used it in comp). Another good one for you would be a 7mm Ultra. With a 168gr bullet and a full load, recoil is comparable to a 300wm with a full load and a 150gr pill. I lived in Colorado for a number of years, and even hunted pretty close to Craig, but I rarely had 800yd shots. Even from the bench, I avereaged about 275 - 300yds over the course of around 29 deer and 6 Elk. Shot placement, as always, is still going to be the "golden key" here. Once you're consistent at these ranges with a given rifle, there should be no reason why the 300WM won't do everything you need it to do. Glad to see you're a die-hard who has will-power and faith not to let a little 'ol steel plate get in his way of the shooting sports!! Good luck bro!

TH

[old fart]

thanks - just to keep you guys up to date- my 338 win is in the shop for a tune up , longer heavier barrel , same caliber, min chamber and throated for smk's , vais break . adding this same break to my 300 win the 1st of the month, rebed(pillars) this rifle and bring the weight up a little . ordered 500 smk's for this and a new chrono - my 6.5/284 will wait until these are finished , also bought a new scope for 300 win , but this will give me the time to shoot the 300win at range 600 to 800 and see what I can do with the SMK's - thanks for all the help