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Old 11-07-2007, 09:57 AM
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Thanks!

Thanks for all the great info fellas. Yal are right... The more I think about it, a new gun isn't going to do me much good with out reloading equipment. I think I will take yals advice and go that route. I am already looking into triggers for the .280. After I get a trigger job I will go back and check to see if I can shoot better with it. I already have a bipod and sand bags for a better rest.

I checked to see if the barrel was floating on the .280 and it is except for a small portion near the end of the forearm. I assume this is a factory pressure point and I shouldn't mess with it.

One other question... Does the reloading press have to bolt to a table? I'm in an apartment right now and don't have the best location to reload but if it attaches to the table with clamps I am good to go!

DoubleG
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Old 11-07-2007, 10:48 AM
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DoubleG, Welcome!!!

It doesn't take much exposure to catch the bug. Good thing it is only dangerous to your wallet.

On mounting your press...my first press was a Rockchucker (the one I still use) and I mounted it to a little $5 garage sale bed-side table. I only reloaded for a 300WinMag and resizing was a little interesting, but it worked.

Lots of people here have mounted their presses to a board and then c-clamp the press to their bench. It is great for flexibility, all you need is a STURDY surface and you're in business.

I agree with everything that has been said here so far. You have a gun that should be capable of good accuracy and is a caliber that will work fine for what you want. Put your $$$ into tweeking your gun and reloading equipment and you will learn SOOOOOO much more than if you just bought another gun...but another gun is fun also. I didn't see where you are from but one way to save money, or spread out the spending curve, is find some folks in your area who are already set up and share their equipment while you are getting set up. I don't know how many military dorm guys have used my set-up.

Good luck on your recovery...I haven't found a cure for the bug...but that's a good thing.
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Old 11-07-2007, 11:34 AM
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As Blackco stated, just mount the press to a piece of board and then use C-clamps to attach to a work surface. When I lived in an apartment, I bought one of those Black and Decker workmates and clamped my press to it, since nothing else I owned was sturdy enough.

I just user a 2x6 cut about 2' long with the press mounted via bolts.

Let us know as you move forward, we can probably save you from buying unnecessary stuff.

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Old 11-07-2007, 11:46 AM
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Thanks for the info fellas... That sounds like it would work great. I also saw a couple reloading stands at Midway but clamping it to the table or buying a small table should not be a problem.

Now that I am around that issue and have my $$$ ready to spend what do yal recommend. I hear alot about the Lee Aniversary Kit or Deluxe Kit or do you recommend buying everything separate.

I have a .280 and a 45 ACP that I would mainly like to reload for.

Also, which manuel is good for me to start reading? Is any manuel fine or is some better than others. I hope to buy one soon (like this week) and start reading up on it.

DoubleG
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Old 11-07-2007, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by DoubleGobble00 View Post
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Now that I am around that issue and have my $$$ ready to spend what do yal recommend. I hear alot about the Lee Aniversary Kit or Deluxe Kit or do you recommend buying everything separate.

I have a .280 and a 45 ACP that I would mainly like to reload for.

Also, which manuel is good for me to start reading? Is any manuel fine or is some better than others. I hope to buy one soon (like this week) and start reading up on it.

DoubleG
Since you asked ;-)

Any of the manuals are good. I have a bunch of different ones and I like the Hornady manual. Having several is always good as a way to verify things. That being said, the internet has great resources for loads and info. Hodgdon.com is the one I use most. Depending on how computer oriented you are, the quickload program is a great program for simulating loads all the powders, bullets etc, but certainly not needed in the short term.

Presses and other equipment can vary greatly in cost. Most of the presses are very good quality.

Essentially you need to do 4 things when you reload.

1) resize / deprime cases
2) reprime cases
3) Measure powder
4) seat bullets.

#1 and #4 are handled by the press/dies. #2 can be handled by the press, but I feel is done better/easier with a Lee HandPrime unit $12 MidwayUSA - Lee Auto Prime Hand Priming Tool and the shell holder kit $13 MidwayUSA - Lee Auto Prime Hand Priming Tool Shellholder Package of 11

#3, measuring/dispensing powder requires at minimum a scale and a funnel.

The funnel I use and recommend is $17 and works great for this task MidwayUSA - Frankford Arsenal Powder Funnel with 16 Nozzles and 4" Drop Tube

A powder measure makes the task easier/faster.
There are manual and electronic/automatic measures. I like the electronic dispensers but the manuals work well but will require you to trickle the last little bit of powder into the scale to get the perfect amount.

I used a small manual scale for a long time.MidwayUSA - Lee Safety Magnetic Powder Scale 100 Grain Capacity

I then transitioned to a digital scale and automatic powder measure. I'd never go back. I used the Pact combo for a couple years and it worked great, but a little slow. I sold the pact and purchased the RCBS and it is an awesome package (albeit a little spendy at $300)
MidwayUSA - RCBS ChargeMaster 1500 Powder Scale and Dispenser Combo 110 Volt
You could always just start with the scale ($160) and get the dispenser later?

The other thing you will need is a set of calipers. I used a $5 plastic dial caliper for years and it was fine. You can get stainless dial calipers for $25 or nice digital calipers for $50-$100+. If you get a digital, make sure you get one that automatically turns off, as it will save you a lot of batteries.

Along with the calipers, I recommend 2 stoney point kits that will enable you to measure everything you need to setup your dies/reloads perfectly.
MidwayUSA - Hornady Lock-N-Load Headspace Gage 5 Bushing Set with Comparator
and
MidwayUSA - Hornady Lock-N-Load Bullet Comparator Basic Set with 6 Inserts
or
MidwayUSA - Hornady Lock-N-Load Bullet Comparator Complete Set with 14 Inserts

Later you will need a case trimmer and I recommend the Forster kit
MidwayUSA - Forster Original Case Trimmer Kit
but for the time being, you can just reload and watch your length. There are also other brass prep tools, but they are overkill for starting out.

You will need a set of dies and a shell holder for each cartridge. You can get die sets for $25-$200 depending on what type reloads you are making. For your 45acp, I'd recommend a Nitride sizing die, so you don't have to lubricate your cases (only works for straight wall cartridges). Something like this set would work
MidwayUSA - Hornady Custom Grade New Dimension Nitride 3-Die Set 45 ACP, 45 Auto Rim, 45 Win Mag

For your .280 you will need to lubricate, and the best thing I've found is Imperial sizing wax
MidwayUSA - Imperial Case Sizing Wax 2 oz
I've tried the spray stuff, the roll on stuff etc. and this wax is the best.

A die set for your .280 should be a good quality set. I use the competition Redding dies, but the standard Redding dies are great as well.
MidwayUSA - Redding 2-Die Set 280 Remington, 7mm Express
Keep in mind that dies are like pickups, the old Ford vs. Chevy debate.
Forster, Redding, Hornady, RCBS all have good dies in their lineups.

Don't forget to get a shellholder for each cartridge you are reloading. They are only a couple dollars each.

I've left the hardest choice for last. Which press?
I used a Rock Chucker original for 3 decades and it is still as good as ever. My favorites right now are the Redding 700 Ultra, Rock Chucker supreme and Lee Classic Cast. Any of them will do a great job. If you want my old Rock Chucker, make me an offer and I'll replace it with the Redding ;-).MidwayUSA - Redding 700 Ultramag Single Stage Press

MidwayUSA - Lee Classic Cast Single Stage Press

MidwayUSA - RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme Single Stage Press

As far as the kits go, just look at the individual stuff you get and keep in mind the list above and the 4 things you need to do to safely reload shells and you will make good choices. A lot depends on what kind of $'s you have etc.

At minimum you need a press, shell holder, dies, lubricant, scale, funnel, calipers. Everything else just makes things go faster, easier etc.


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Old 11-07-2007, 02:12 PM
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I got to thinking what would be a minimal setup for you to compare with the kits.

Minimal kit

Press $20 MidwayUSA - Lee Reloader Single Stage Press

Priming : $15
MidwayUSA - Lee Auto Prime Hand Priming Tool and MidwayUSA - Lee Auto Prime Hand Priming Tool Shellholder #2 (22-250 Remington, 243 Winchester, 270 Winchester, 308 Winchester, 30-06 Springfield, 45 ACP)

Dies $31.50
MidwayUSA - Redding 2-Die Set 280 Remington, 7mm Express

ShellHolder $6.50
MidwayUSA - Hornady Shellholder #1 (22-250 Remington, 243 Winchester, 270 Winchester, 308 Winchester, 30-06 Springfield, 45 ACP)

Sizing lube $7
MidwayUSA - Imperial Case Sizing Wax 2 oz

Scale $20
MidwayUSA - Lee Safety Magnetic Powder Scale 100 Grain Capacity

Calipers $26
MidwayUSA - Frankford Arsenal Dial Caliper 6" Stainless Steel

Funnel $2
MidwayUSA - Lee Powder Funnel 22 to 45 Caliber

Measure $8
MidwayUSA - Lee Improved Powder Measure Kit


Total $136

to reload your .280 rem.

It all depends on your needs and resources.

Good Luck,
AJ
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Last edited by AJ Peacock; 11-07-2007 at 02:18 PM.
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Old 11-07-2007, 02:35 PM
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Wow this is great... Man you put alot of time into that post. Thanks for the great help. Right now I got about $300 to invest. I want to use the $300 to get all the equipment and some brass, powder, primers, and bullets to get started with. The minimum amount of equipment cost might be best for me right now but of course I want to get the best bang for my buck. I will go check out all the equipment you listed and will go pick up a manuel today at the gun shop.

Do you think I can get started on $300??? Looks like it is possible with the minimum stuff you listed.

DoubleG
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