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Old 09-16-2008, 11:25 AM
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New to the site, have some questions on what to pick

Hi,
being a newby to long range hunting and bigger bore rifles, I need some help in picking a caliber.
I am looking at the 338wm. I want a gun that I could shoot animals out to say 500yds, after years of practice. Maybe do some long range target shooting, and have enough power to hunt bear and moose if I get the chance. I was looking at the 300wm, but have read alot on the 338 and think it might be a better all around gun to hunt deer, muleys- do alot of this, elk, moose, bear, and anything else in North America. LIke to be able to take the long shot and know my gun can do it and make a good clean kill. What do you think of the 338 and what make of rifle would you suggest looking at?

Thanks for the help and a great site.

Tom
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Old 09-16-2008, 01:20 PM
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Re: New to the site, have some questions on what to pick

First, welcome to the site.

You ask a good question, but it would help us to know a bit more about your experience shooting, what you currently shoot, do you reload etc.

Either the 338WM or the 300WM will do what you ask (as will a host of other calibers).

Again, welcome to the site.

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Old 09-16-2008, 01:56 PM
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Re: New to the site, have some questions on what to pick

thanks for the reply AJ. I currently shoot a 30-06 for most of my hunting. I have been shooting for a long time and have shot bigger calibers. Recoil does not bother me. I do not reload yet, but am planning on getting into it soon. I am really leaning toward the 338 being that it is a full step up from the 300wm.

I really want to start Elk hunting and maybe bear.

Can the 338 do everything a 300 can, but better? What is the best factory rifle made in a 338 for less than a grand?
What about optics- good low cost scope but no sacrificing quality.

Thanks for your help.

Tom
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Old 09-16-2008, 03:42 PM
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Re: New to the site, have some questions on what to pick

I'd say the best 338 factory rifle for under $1000 would be a Rem model 700 in 338 Remington Ultra Mag. But you will definitely want to have a muzzle brake installed, and that will likely put you over the $1000 mark.

If you are really wanting to get a 338, I'd go with the UltraMag over the Win Mag.

You say you don't mind recoil, I shoot an 8lb 7mm Rem Mag and I wouldn't shoot a 338RUM without a brake (did it once, and that was enough).

You will definitely want to reload, due to the cost of ammo. Start reloading the '06 and get your feet wet. Meanwhile keep your eyes open for a 338 and study the ballistics charts, read this forum and become familiar with the different 338 bullets. There are a lot of cartridges out there and maybe the 338 RUM is bigger than you want/need. Maybe the 338WM is perfect, or maybe just a larger .30cal rifle ? The 300RUM is a phenomenal cartridge that should be given a serious look.

I'd choose the 300WM over the 338WM, due to it's better trajectory. I'd pick the 300RUM over either of them, as it's pretty impressive. But only you can make the choice, as you know how/where/what you will be using it for.

As far as scopes, you get what you pay for. The Nikon's and Bushnells are well thought of (the elite line), as are others (just do a search here on the forum).

Hope this helped, but you probably have more questions now than before.

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Old 09-16-2008, 03:50 PM
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Re: New to the site, have some questions on what to pick

I started a thread on this same topic 300 win or 338 win. I got allot of feedback from allot of experenced shooters, the 300 win is the way to go hands down!

It out shoots the 338 win mag at all ranges.

It has enough power for a clean kill all the way out past 1000yds

There are more bullet choices in 308 diamiter than 338.

There are more choices in factory ammo.

The US ARMY shoots it in competition.

The list goes on and on. The only way to out do the 300win is to step up the a 338rum,edge,lapua etc but then your cost goes up to. One 20 round box of federal 338 rum is 80.00.
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Old 09-16-2008, 04:51 PM
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Re: New to the site, have some questions on what to pick

You included elk, moose and bear out to 500 yards. Of those two the 338 win mag is by far and away the best choice. I wouldn't even consider the 300 win mag in the discussion. It does not in any way form or fashion have the ability to take down elk size critters like the 338. I have seen hundreds of large animals fall for 40 years through hunting and guiding and seen a lot of crying because the guy lost his animal because he had to small a caliber. There is a reason the few hunters like me who have had the opportunity to witness hundreds of kills recomend the 338 as minimum on elk. It is the same reason there are caliber minimums in Africa for dangerous game. Big calibers take down and disable large game quicker.

I can take my 6mm-06 imp out and take an elk at a quarter mile by waiting for the perfect shot and conditions. It can do the job just like the 300 can but it is by far not the best choice. You ask which is the best, not which will do the job. And no way in this world is the 300 win mag a 1000 yard elk gun by any sain person who has the experience to speak about it. Will it take one at a 1000 yards, yes, I took one at 1100 with a 270 wby when I was a young and sain man. But I didn't have the experience to know better. Now I know if I am building a 1000 yard elk rifle it will be in 338 because I have seen a bunch of elk lost or chased forever with small calibers that would have been dead with a 338.

I don't know why you picked these two calibers when there are so many choices but it is interesting you did. The 338 winchester is the best elk cartridge over the counter you can get that does not require a muzzle brake to shoot accurately and will get you a 500 yard elk. It will do very well on those animals out to 500 yards with a 200 grain nosler ballistic tip around 3100 fps and is fairly easy on the shoulder. The 338 winchester does not push the heavy bullets fast enough to give you an advantage with them at the ranges this caliber is most effective. The next step up would be the 340 wby, 338 ultramag and 338-300 ultramag which are all virtually the same within a hundred fps and definitely require a muzzle brake which a lot of people don't like.

The 200 grain bullet in the 300 win mag quickly is going faster than the 338 winchester 200 and long range velocity is much better with the higher BC. But even though on paper the 300 gives more foot pounds of energy after a few hundred yards I learned long ago elk don't read the paper. It is that caliber thing again and I guess knowbody has figured how to compute that but when you see a bunch of animals fall to everything there is you quickly realize caliber is the answer and not good looking paperwork.

Wall-Mart has 338 winchesters and 300 wbys for $400 and less. Either of those would be better than the 300 winchester.
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Re: New to the site, have some questions on what to pick

Allot of good points LONG RANGE!
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