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Old 01-16-2010, 08:11 PM
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new member, gun question

hey everybody,
I'm a new member here and i'm looking at getting a savage Model: 25 LV-T in the .223 cal.

Just wondering what everybody thought about this gun. Any information your would be awesome.

Love this site by the way!
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Old 01-16-2010, 08:19 PM
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Welcome, glad to have you here. Lots of good folks and lots of good info. Enjoy.
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Old 01-16-2010, 09:10 PM
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hey everybody,
I'm a new member here and i'm looking at getting a savage Model: 25 LV-T in the .223 cal.

Just wondering what everybody thought about this gun. Any information your would be awesome.

Love this site by the way!
ksukid:
In terms of a rifle manufacturer, Savage is a good choice. If you want to shoot long range, I would encourage you to choose a larger caliber cartridge though. The 223 is nice, but the rate of twist in most factory barrels is too slow. Typically factory barrels have a 1:10 or 1:12 twist and the heaviest bullet they will shoot is about 62 grains. My 223 has a 12 twist and it shoots the 50 grain bullets really well. Beyond 400 yards though accuracy comes apart. In order to shoot long range with a 223 you need a 1:7 or 1:8 twist barrel so you can shoot the 80+ grain bullets. Check out this article about shooting the 223 at long range:

Shooting A 223 Rifle To A Mile Accurately

Generally speaking, caliber/cartridge choice is driven by intended use. Because your initial choice is 223, I would assume your intended use is varmints and/or targets. If that's the case, I would encourage you to look at the various 6mm (.243) and 6.5mm (.264) cartridges. Both of these calibers offer heavy bullets with great ballistic coefficients (BC).

As an example, I've just ordered my next custom rifle. It will be a 260Rem and I intend to shoot 140grain VLD bullets (BC = .612) at 2800fps. This load will shoot varmints at about as far as I can see and take deer at 600 yards.
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Old 01-17-2010, 12:38 AM
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Re: new member, gun question

trebark, thank you.

the savage model i listed above has a 24" heavy barrel with a 1 in 9" twist.

this gun will mainly be used for coyotes and paper shooting. really dont know how far i will be shooting. hopefully working out to 700+ yards.
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Old 01-17-2010, 07:31 AM
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223 at a mile. Good read, thanks for posting.
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Old 01-17-2010, 11:00 AM
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trebark, thank you.

the savage model i listed above has a 24" heavy barrel with a 1 in 9" twist.

this gun will mainly be used for coyotes and paper shooting. really dont know how far i will be shooting. hopefully working out to 700+ yards.
ok - I'll press you just one time....what's got you so hooked on the 223? With a 9 twist 223 you will be able to shoot 73grain bullets with a BC of .373. This would limit the distance you could shoot and you would have to deal with tremendous wind drift.

If you were choose one of the 6mm's, like a 243Win in the Rem700SPS Varmint

http://www.remington.com/products/fi...-varmint.aspx)

It comes with a 26", 9 twist barrel which means you could shoot 95/100 grain bullets with BCs in the .480 class. With the 243 you could shoot varmints/targets as far as you can see and with the heavier, higher BC bullet you would have a lot less wind drift.

I'll admit the 223 is nice. I have one. But it's pretty much relegated to being shot by my 12 year old niece these days because it has almost no recoil. When I couldn't shoot 600 yards with it, I bought a 308. And now I'm having a custom 260 built.

My 308 1k Rifle - The Evolution Continues!

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just sounds as though you will be wanting to shoot pretty far and I think you will have greater success shooting a larger caliber cartridge than the 223.
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Old 01-17-2010, 11:43 AM
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Since you didn't ask for any other caliber advice I figured I'd keep quiet but, since trebark has brought it up I guess I too will throw my 2 cents in. You mentioned 700+ yards and once your there well... you'll want to go further...it's seems to me that's how it goes. If your really set on 223...go for it but, if not then +1 w/trebark especially 243 great bullet selection, availability of ammo and rifles, inexpensive, easy to reload, practically no recoil, great barrel life on and on. Either way let us know what you go with. Enjoy.
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