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Unread 03-10-2006, 11:21 PM
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New here, hoping for advice

First let me say hi and that there seems to be alot of really good information on this site. I am in the middle of a personal caliber debate and am hoping you all can help me make up my mind.

Last summer I picked up a beat up savage 110 in 30.06 for Iowa's first rifle deer season. It shoots very well but being 22 I "need" something with a bit more flare. I am thinking of rebarreling the savage with a pac-nor barrel in a flat shooting coyote and deer cartridge. Mainly looking for a "when they just have to die no matter what range or condition" coyote slayer. That being said I'm not planning on ever shooting a deer past 500 yards (personal ethics)and while varmints are a whole nother ball game (shoot em as far as you can see them) I don't realistically expect to take a shot at a yote past 600 yards.

I want to stay in the mid calibers (keep it pleasant to shoot) and have a sporter weight 26 inch barrel as it will be carried often and shot little. I don't think I want or need a 13 pound rifle or a .338 for whackin yotes.

I am currently leaning towards a 6mm-.06 improved with the hope of using 87 grain V-MAXs for yotes and 95 grain Barnes Xs for deer. However, the seeds of doubt are creeping in that this may not be the perfect choice for me.
Other calibers I have thought about:
25.06 - Hey how fast and flat do I really need to go anyway
.257 STW - Heard about it here and sounds interesting
I would appreciate any imput on what you think would be best for my needs. While I am by no means new to shooting and reloading, this will be my first custom so....
Mainly looking for something that shoots flat as you don't always have time to use a laser range finder hunting coyotes and puts yotes down 'right now'
Thanks in advance
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Unread 03-11-2006, 05:11 AM
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Re: New here, hoping for advice

Welcome aboard,

You want "flare"? This is the place.

Be careful or you'll get hooked.

Any of the calibers you list will do the job, tho the smaller the cal. the shorter the bbl life.
Besides your "need" will most probably take you well beyond your current perspective. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Your "personal ethics" are gonna get stretched, I bet [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

More important than the action and barrel maker is the rifle smith that fits it all together. There are several great riflesmiths here that walk the walk and talk the talk.

Some examples:
This one will work w/your 110 action

This'll getcha goin

A good read

Some of the stuff going on around here.

And a final one

Remember: Eat lite, tip big and dream loooonnnggg Range [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Good luck.
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Unread 03-11-2006, 06:57 AM
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Re: New here, hoping for advice

A 243 caliber with a 1-8 twist barrel will handle the lighter bullet as well as give you the flexibillty to move up to the 105-107 gr long range bulets. To get the best of of the 6-06 and 6-284 you might add a couple of inches of barrel. An inch of barrel weighs almost exactly the same as an inch of snickers bar and is more effective than the snickers bar.

Life is full of compromises. A 257STW and a 26 inch barrel is a waste of steel and powder. A 257Wby will probably give you the same performance in that length barrel with less problems. It will be a significant boost over the 25-06 which is itself a rock steady proven perfomer that will fulfill all of your needs.

Most new people come to the forum wanting a laser gun and then find out the truth and proceed happily forward with a new appreciation for ballistics.

Depending on terrain and your individual circumstances, I would strongly consider what Roy said and build a gun where the starting distance was 500yds and that way you can grow into it for a while.
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Unread 03-11-2006, 10:41 AM
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Re: New here, hoping for advice

I realize you have a few of the wilder calibers set in your mind, but the good old 308 or 243 will do what you want and is far cheaper to shoot. This will allow you to get as much trigger time as possible for the buck. Remember, luck is the residue of preparation, the more trigger time, the better shot you become. A range card properly filled out will speed in shot taking and makes up for a less flat trajectory. Another consideration is barrel wear, the 6.5-284 and others like it will eat a barrel in as little as 1000 rounds. Every time you rebarrel you need to do a whole load evaluation and the new barrel may not like the loading you are accustomed to.
The rounds you have mentioned are very good ones, flat and have bullets with great BC's. They will fit in you action and do a great job for your purposes, just be sure you are prepared for the financial burden that comes along with the hotter calibers. Go to midway and check what brass and bullets will cost, as well as what more standard calibers cost. My first custom rifle was a 308, I was able to learn how to do everything fairly cheaply. I was able to afford to go out every weekend and shoot 100 rounds without regretting it and calculating how much longer my barrel will last. That rifle belongs to a friend and is still a tack driver after almost 5000 rounds. If you're all set for what is required to be proficient with one of these rounds, I would suggest the 6.5-284. Lots of 1000 yd benchrest shooters can't be wrong.
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Unread 03-11-2006, 12:47 PM
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Re: New here, hoping for advice

A 243 caliber with a 1-8 twist barrel will handle the lighter bullet as well as give you the flexibillty to move up to the 105-107 gr long range bulets.

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Nothing wrong w/a .243.

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Unread 03-12-2006, 07:58 PM
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Re: New here, hoping for advice

Roy in Idaho wrote:


Besides your "need" will most probably take you well beyond your current perspective.
Good luck.

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It's hard to go wrong with anything in a 6mm/.244 caliber for a deer and coyote combo rifle. You get a lot of versatility with it.

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Unread 03-12-2006, 08:20 PM
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Re: New here, hoping for advice

Welcome, there is great info on this site. My vote goes to the 6.5x284, I have one, and it's a shooter. I would highly recommend you think about it. I shoot a Lupa 139 grn Scenar bullet at around 2950 FPS. My best three shot group with this load is .091 at 100 yards. The 6.5x284 is a great 1000 yard caliber, and very accurate at that range. Good luck with your choice, I am sure you will get many suggestions. Once again, welcome!!!
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