Elk are tough animals! Accuracy alone is not enough, study the down range energy of the short Magnums vs the energy of the Ultra
Magnums there is a considerable difference. Also trajectory wise the slower Short Magnums will hurt out past 450 as compaired to the more powerful options.
I agree that the new Supermags are more then most shooters and hunters are able to master with the limited amount of shooting that many shooters actually do.
I also feel that with a quality recoil pad, nothing offered on a factory rifle is what I would consider "Quality" and a good muzzle brake installed, the 300 RUM will kick much less then a 300 WSM out of even an 8 lb rifle.
Plus the brake will control torque much better as well.
Now I also feel a brake is not the end all of all recoil problems as increased muzzle blast can be just as distracting as recoil to some shooters but there are ways to tame the big magnums if they are creating a problem for the owner.
Often with onlythe installation of a quality recoil pad like the 1" or thicker Kick Eez pads, all of the "bite" is taken out of the RUM class rounds, even in 7.5 lb Rem 700 SS models.
They still hit you hard but there is no pain like with factory rifles so there are ways to tame these heavy kickers into enjoyable extreme range hunting rifles if their recoil is more then the owner wants to deal with.
I also agree the WSM will perfrom well at those ranges but for Elk hunting I would much prefer to use the 200 gr Accubond and this bullet is a little heavy and long for a factory length WSM action.
For the WSM the 180 gr version would be better I feel.
Allen Precision Shooting
Home of the Allen Magnum, Allen Xpress and Allen Tactical Wildcats and the Painkiller Muzzle brakes.
Well I got my new gun. It's not the 7mm ultra mag that I was leaning towards but I think it will do the job and I got a pretty good deal. Win mod 70 in 338 win mag. I got the gun, scope, dies, 200 rounds of once fired primed brass, and about 30 225 grain hornady sst bullets for $385. I'm happy and can't wait to get out and shoot it. Now I just need to figure out the tricks for reloading those belted magnums. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
If you're gonna be dumb you better be tough.