When you speak of a LR rifle and a walking around rifle, makes one ask what you call LR ?. When I hear 22" bbls and # 2 and # 3 taper I also wonder what calls LR ? A properly set up '06 is capable of 800 yard Whitetails in experienced hands.I'm not convinced you'll find it in a walking around rifle tho..IMHO [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]
Well Lee, you have me there, as the name suggests I am new to the game.
Having my kids starting the college years I find myself working more Saturdays then I wish, so I am looking for a hobby to accent my saltwater fishing. The trouble with SW fishing is that you can't really do so after working half a day on Sat.
What I mean by longrange would be a rifle that has the capacity to shoot as far and accurate as can be, and still be suitable on the shoulder for a long walk in the Sierras.
I know there are more suited calibers for LR than the .06, but I also don't beleieve in shooting what I won't eat, so I really don't want something that will destroy meat.
Reading this forum, and other webpages has given me plenty to think about, I think my first choise would be a .280 with a stiff barrel, and bedded reciever, and see how good i can get from there. After looking around, I'm not sure a .280 can be found in a lefty version, so that leaves me with a .270 or .06
I really can't tell you what I mean by longrange, only time and practice will be able to answer that question. All I have is expectations, but I realize that I am green enough that my expectations might be modest, or very wishfull thinking.
In all honesty my ambitions are to be accurate in the four firing positions more so than the bench. I realize that most hunters in those positions consider their range to be approx 300yds with an out of box rifle, so I would be thrilled to have a rifle that with pratice would allow me to be accurate up to 500 yds.
Well Greenhorn sounds like you are on the right track with your thinking and practiceing. Nothing wrong with the '06 for what you have in mind. In most cases practice is what is needed. LR can become in the eyes of the beholder.A 338/378 at 25-30 #'s off the bench, thats is one thing to one LR shooter and a 300 yd. kneeling shot across the canyon is something to another LR shooter. However, generally speaking when one thinks of LR shooting of BG it conjurs up thoughts of Prepped cases, match grade bullets, scopes of 15X and above, solid rests, plenty of trigger time and rangefinders to name but a few. All come after the initial start of training as you have outlined. Some use it as sport and or relaxation, others it becomes a way of life.Generally time and money will have an overall bearing. Sounds as tho you are on the right beginning track for whichever route you choose. Good shooting... [img]images/icons/cool.gif[/img]
This is an interesting topic, particularly since I have also been interested in a lighter long range rifle. The rife that I am shooting is still being evolved into a final product and it is getting better with each change.
Suggest you consider a GA Precision "Nontypical" as one possibility - matter of fact I believe it would be exactly what you need. Available in .270, 7mm and .300 WSM - any of these cartridges will kill out to the distances you are talking. Weight with scope is right at eight pounds. The GA rifle uses superb lightweight components, put together with the tricks used to build long range sniper rifles.
Fact is there are other great smiths who could build you a rifle, George Gardner happens to be working on the lightweight longrange challenge right now and his rifles are a proven commodity.
Since I got the lightweight rifle I have killed deer out past 700 yards - only problem I have is looking at the 15 pounders in the gunsafe that are not going on as many hunts anymore.
There is a heading at the beggining of this site regarding the development of the GA rifle, George has built several now and he tells me he has standardized on the barrel now. He tried several suppliers, found one cut-rifled barrel maker that will supply superb shooters on very reasonable time frames.
Good luck with this - remember that finding a light rifle is only part of the setup, you will also need a lightweight scope and mounts to make the system complete. I am using two scopes that fit the bill perfectlly - the 2.5-10 Nightforce NXS and the Leupold MK4 MRT 3-9. Both are about one pound, have superb optics and turrets. GA uses super lightweight Badger mounts, they are about as nice as it gets.
You also must ensure that the stock used is stiff enough to allow the use of a Harris bipod, some light stocks flex and allow the barrel to contact in the channel which blows accuracy. The McMillan Hunters Edge is a carbon fibre stock that will do Harris's no sweat. Only available for the Rem. 700 - that is a shame as I would sure like to see one for the M-70, would make for a better WSM rifle.
The '06 is a fine choice but the newer WSM cases are also worth considering - a 7mm WSM would do the job in fine style since there are lots of good bullet choices.
Good luck, planning and thinking these things out is all part of the fun.
As Greenhorn has described his rifle objectives as well as his newness to the sport of "long range" hunting, I would have to say, "I'm basically in the same place"... I want a long range hunter that doesn't weigh a ton, yet can do 300, 400, 500, more(?). okay, yes, as far as I can confidently shoot. And I am VERY New to the sport.
And yes I agree with some of the other posts that a 9-10 pound rifle is NOT horrible compared to a 7 pounder. It far more depends on how much fat your carrying, how in shape you are, and what else you are carrying (backpack etc) and how you're carrying it. (IMHO)...
I started out a few weeks ago with a used Remington 700 in 300 Win Mag... Yet, I may re-consider and primarily set it up and use this rifle as a deer/bear hunter in Upstate NY's (Adirondack's) densely wooded country where 200 yard shots would be about max. But I'd want a rifle that can deliver some punch. But, NOT a 15 pound rifle.
Overall, I find this thread extremely helpful and the parallels quite close, and would like to add in the mix of topics the 300 Win Mag in addition to the 30 06 and the 270, and 280. Or perhaps the Rem700 300 WinMag is NOT a rifle that any of the more seasoned people here would think is a good option for me or Greenhorn to consider for a good lightweight long range shooter. Knowing your thoughts on this may be useful to both of us (and others).
The scope and base and mounts information is most valuable so far and I would really like some of you far more experienced to expound further on this: Light weight yet ideal for let's say 500 yard shots.
And yes it is the planning and research and discussions like this that are half the fun. I was consdiering a 30-06 or a 300 WinMag, and the 300WM came up first at a great price. But I know that should NOT be a deciding factor. I want to set up a good light-to-moderate-weight riflew/scope for long range hunting, not TWO rifles.
Thanks guys for this thread and discussion, I am learning important stuff.