I am planning on purchasing a new hunting rifle and would appreciate any response helping me narrow my choices or just providing good info. From what I have read Savages are pretty good out of the box for the price.
The intention as far as distance of shot is max of 500-600 yds for this next rig. I really want something that produces a BANG-Flop reaction. I plan on using a Muzzle Break-Holland QD to allow for a pleasant day of shooting at the range. I already have a 308win, 270win, and 30-06 in my collection, so I'm looking for a jump in performance such as energy delivered to deer size game. I would like something where the ammo I use is available from the average sporting good store.
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I think bullet placement has far more to do with bang flop then caliber. Not to say you dont need power, but a "little" 25-06 will give you bang flop performance on deer to 500 yards when you put the 115 btip in its shoulder. I believe in shoulder shots for anchoring game on the spot. Not the traditional behind the shoulder. Just my 2 cents. As above stated, for deer size, you already have plenty of power for bang flop performance, given you put the bullet in its shoulder and not behind its shoulder.
Of the three I would have to lean toward the 300 WIn Mag. The 338 Win Mag is really much more then you need for your intended use. Just no need for that much bullet and recoil.
The 300 WSM is a great choice but every little po-dunk sporting good store may not have that ammo on the shelf. This is a requirement you list for the chambering selection. For that reason I would lean toward the 300 WIn Mag.
That said, all three are far more gun then you need for your intended purpose but being overgunned is a myth in my opinion, dead is dead and dead is the goal we all want, quickly.
Personally, for your range limits and game you will be hunting, I would look at the 7mm rounds. A 7mm Rem Mag would be very hard to beat in a quality rifle. Loaded with a quality 160 gr class bullet you will easily get your performance at these ranges.
Plus the velocity potential is not so high that you can not use bullets such as the Berger and A-Max offerings which work ell on deer size game as well as the 160 gr Accubond or some of the high BC Wildcat Bullets in the 150 to 160 gr weight range.
For 500-600 yard shooting there is no need for a 175 gr bullet in a 7mm. The 150 and 160 gr class bullets will actually shoot flatter because of their velocity advantge at these ranges.
For a 30 cal round, I would look at the 165 to 180 gr bullet weights as well.
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As what everybody has said it is the shot placement that makes bang flop. I have seen awesome performance in all 3 calibers. I have a 300win wich I'm starting to think is shot out. Used it for varmits [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] My brother has the 300wsm and it dosen't shoot overly good but it's in an winchester. I havent had very good luck with them. It still carries quite the whack though. Then my dad has the 338 and it has killed alot of stuff in the past. More than 15 elk and who nows how many deer. I think you are going the correct route with the savage though. I have had good luck with remmies to. Then again my dads first rifle was a 300win when he was a kid. Also killed alot of stuff between him and his friends. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
I dont know who ever came up with the imaganary word of "Over Gunned"
I mentioned the 3 above because I have heard a lot of good info about each. I didn't think of the 7mm with the assumption bigger is better and like you said dead is dead and you want it to happen quick. What about the 7mm WSM? I know I said I don't reload but i will soon(3 months away).I also want something a little different. Only if I could afford one of your Allen Magnums.
Is it a good idea to go with the Holland QD break on any of the choices? So the myth to bang flop is actually where the shot is placed (neck, shoulder, just above the shoulder, heart/lung).
Also as you can see from my list this quest is just to have another. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Like a bag of chips, you can't just eat one chip.
Thanks for the info.
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