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Old 05-06-2005, 07:29 PM
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Re: Marlim or Winchester?

Pick which one they look like and I can tell you how to rig them. The biggest fish is a mackeral and is probably about 12" long, the smallest thinest to the right of the mackeral is a ballyhoo (maybe 6-8"), and the other type is a mullet, and no, not a haircut. There are 3 different sizes of each type except for mackeral. They would be too big to put in the picture I guess.
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Old 05-06-2005, 07:57 PM
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Re: Marlim or Winchester?

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WOW, 10/0, that is impressive. I would use those live baiting for marlin with a 5lb tuna.

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Like I said, they were given to me. I think they are a bit large as well. I wanted to try These in 10/0 which are not anywhere near as big as the 10/0 circle hooks but they are $2.00 a piece. Naw.

This is a smelt. It would be most like the one to the right of the mackerel in the picture you posted.

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Do you want your bait just twirling or drifting in the current, or do u want it to swim? I take it from what you said, there is not a real need for the fish to look alive, correct me if I am wrong though. Also, tell me if you need the hook tip inside the bait. Are there a lot of things to get snagged on or a lot of grass to get caught in?


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Sturgeon may be bottomfeeders but they are not garbage eaters. They should have as natural a presentation as possible. We normally bait the smelt with the tail to the hook eye and the head free to be swallowed first since that is the way they are naturally consumed. We use a fine thread to tie the hook tight to the smelt so the hook point and taste are less detectable. I don't think the fish must look alive because their favorite food, according to what I've heard, are trout morts (mortalities from the hatcheries).

As far as snags go we always have vegetation floating down stream but the bottoms range from bare rock to sand to mud and of course underwater plants. Mostly sand and mud though. If it matters, the sturgeon are primarily scent feeders and they use their barbels (whiskers) as well to locate the food. I dont think the action of the bait would matter much beyond its helping with scent dispersal.
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Old 05-06-2005, 08:01 PM
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Re: Marlim or Winchester?

You know Al the mullet has been around since the middle ages and is still in style today with certain, um, women. It is a hair classic.

Wouldn't catch me dead with one though.
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Re: Marlim or Winchester?

Do you ever use dead bait or is it all alive? Live bait adds a new twist to the situation. How hardy are those baits? Do they stay alive a long time or do you change them everytime they die?
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Re: Marlim or Winchester?

They come pickled in a jar. They are fairly well dead. I'm not sure but I don't think we can use live bait other than worms and grubs and the like for fishing in Idaho.
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Re: Marlim or Winchester?

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Buying bait in a jar, now that is interesting. Also, it being pickled is interesting. The bait we use, if it is dead, is frozen, vacumm sealed, and maybe if you get the good bait, it was washed in brine before being packaged. But since your bait is dead, that does make a difference. Do you actually put the hook in the bait or tie it to the bait? When I am fishing with dead bait for grouper or stuff like that we will run the circle hooks into the left side near the tail, run it all the way through and pull the eye out of the other side so that the line is actually touching the fish. Then we will make one more pass, just a litt further foward and angle down so that the hook comes out near the anus. Next, insert the point of the hook into the body cavity. You will have to take a piece of thread and sew the eye to the bottom of the bait. When done, the hook will be inside the bait. This will keep it from snagging anything on the bottom. It will require a little more patience, but when the fish has the bait in his mouth tearing it apart, you will get a better hook-up. We use this around wrecks where exposed hooks are impossible to fish with. If you want me to show you how to rig this, I will take pictures and send to you.
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Re: Marlim or Winchester?

That smelt looks alot like a big shinner or a giant minnow. Kinda like we use for rock fish (Striper or Striped Bass).
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