Long Range Rifle in a 6 PPC

Dave King · #1 03-27-2004, 06:14 AM

The inherent accuracy thread just got me started on thinking about my next rifle, (still waiting on two right now).

How about a 6PPC as a long(er) range cartridge?? I could shoot little tiny groups (in theory) and shoot long range (my distance type long range).

Can a get a magazine fed 6PPC that will shoot right up there with the best of them??

#2 03-27-2004, 07:03 AM

If your smith is talented enough you can get anything built.. and there is a "new" LR record set with the 6mm bullet.. I'm not sure you can achieve the velocity needed..with the PPC case. maybe a 40" barrel [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]
Light recoil, low pressure case designs make easier rifles to build.. but do you have the velocity to keep the bullet stabilized?
Pick a cartridge that is easy to build for.. 6.5/284.. 243AI, 6mmAI, 22/243
hmmmmmm

Jake in NC · #3 03-27-2004, 08:32 AM

.. There's a few fellas shootin' the 6BR with the 105's and 107's with good results.. I got about 2850 from a 107 in a Panda based rifle in BR with a 27" barrel.. From what I understand, the 6mm VLD's prefer a velocity range of 2800-3000 from the 8 tw barrels..

..Sound familiar.?? d:^) JiNC

BountyHunter · #4 03-27-2004, 08:35 PM

Dave

to shoot lr in the 6mm, most are using the 6BR and either a 1-12 twist with Fowler or Watson 80 gr flat base bullets. This is a top 500-600 Egg shoot winning combo. However if you want to limit to 600 yds the PPC with right bullet and twist will do it, but the BR has shown to be better past 300 yards in most peoples opinion.

Skip the 10 twist, does not work extremely well with anything according to most tests and reports.

The 8 twist will shoot the 95-107s very well.

I have a BR improved and it can shoot the 107s at 2950-2975 out of 28" barrel and very accurate. Have some new Clinch River 100s that I will be testing and shooting this year that I think are better than his 106.

The Dasher or BRX versions are the shorter and easier versions to make. The longest case is the BRS (Shehane) version and gives the highest velocity.

Guy in Montana set the new PA record for light gun this year with standard BR (10 shots in little over 4 inches).

BH

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Dave King · #5 03-27-2004, 08:50 PM

BH

Great info... I gotta pick your brain a bit if you don't mind (tomorrow).

BountyHunter · #6 03-27-2004, 09:29 PM

Dave

going to be out tomorrow and leaving Monday for the week. go to Long Range target shooting and read the threads on the Dasher and BRX. Bob Crone on there, is top f class and 1k shooter who came up with the BRX.

BRX uses standard BR dies and is easy to reload for. Both the Dasher, BRX and BRS require custom reamers and dies except for BRX use the standard BR dies.

If you are just looking at 600 then the BR, Dasher or BRX with 12 twist would be the top choice. That is a tough combination to beat in the egg and 600 yard shoots with the 80 gr flatbase bullets.

I built a combo 600 and 1000 gun and chose the 8 twist. After testing lots of bullets for uniformity etc, really like the Clinch River and JLK best. Greg Siemund at CR has a special 100 gr 6mm that has been tested by some ballisticians and they say it is better than the 106 he makes which is a great bullet. Supposedly same jacket with less core and gives less yaw and more stability. I have 500 of them to shoot this summer but have not worked loads up yet, but they were the most uniform lot of bullets I have ever checked.

My BRH is basically the same as Bill Shehanes BRS and only minor differences in reamer. Both leave only short necks on the case and push the BR case as far as it can go. Dave Kiff makes the reamers for both. You can email Bill at his site on BR central and ask about the BRS and his recommendations on what you want. He has built more guns on the BR improved than most and tested and shot heck out of them. He really knows what works and not.

Varget is powder of choice with heavier bullets. I cut my ES in half by going to CCI primers also. If building on Rem action, recommend bush firing pin hole and .068 firing pin. BR case pushed leads to primer flow in many guns if firing pin hole is sloppy.

Good luck, be back in week.

BH

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TOM H · #7 03-28-2004, 05:23 AM

Since you will be looking at thing go to Tubbs web page and look at the 6X also Precision Shooting had some pretty good articles on the 6/22-250 with LVD bullets. I'm having a 6/22-250 done up now with a 1/14 twist barrel just to see what kind of velocity it will get just didn't want to get into alot of fire forming. I've got a factory 40x with a 1/12 twist barrel and it's a pretty good 500yd pd rifle with 80 gr bullets. Well good luck!