2800 is pretty damn impressive from a .308win. I have a hard time believing that your friend is trailing my 300RUM by only 350fps with half or less grains of powder and them same bullet. I load 178amaxs for my 308win vtr with a 20 1/2" barrel and can barely lay down those kinds of numbers. Granted the barrel is a lot shorter but the bullet is 32grains lighter also. I'm not calling anyone out here I am just conveying my experience. In my 300wsm I push 210vlds to 2720fps out of a 24" barrel with 64grains of h4831sc. And that is Max load in that rifle. I have heard of very fast barrels before. A good friend of mine has a. 300weatherby that trails by rum by only 70fps. It does happen. Anyways back to the topic. You biggest concern will not be just energy but also impact velocity. Depending on your bullet choice you will probably need somewhere around 16-1800fps. If you are competent with your rifle energy is second to shot placement anyhow. Choose something that shoots well for you and opens up at low velocities and get in lots of practice.
"I'm interested in rifles, but only accurate rifles are interesting". Col. Townsend Whelen
This is not accurate at all. Run the numbers on a 175 SMk loaded to a modest 2650 fps and it will hold a thousand lbs energy to 700 yds.
I have to disagree with trebark too on this one. (I usually dont) I have not fired the 208 amax or 210 VLD's, but for the little case of the .308, it is my opinion that a 180 is about tops for the little dude. I'm shooting a 1:10 twist and it puts 175's in the same hole.
I do agree that for elk, 400 is about all I would ask for out of the 308. I think a partition bullet may be better served for elk than an SMK, amax or VLD.
Just my opinion, and I know elk have been killed by less. Guns are kinda like race cars, there's no replacement for displacement.
Good call, you are right. Lord knows what I was thinking. I do not reload or hand load. I use 180gr fusion rds and they have the power you are talking about. Good discussion. I read on a site last night about 210 VLD being loaded to incredible power but the chamber psi was 60,000... is that abnormal for a 308?
I have two 308, one with a 26" barrel (tactical setup) and a DPMS AR10. Through the Savage I shoot 175SMKs and hit out to 800 yards consitantly. (2850 fps, w/Varget)
I shoot 155 AMax or 155 SMK Palma through the DPMS using varget. They fly out about 2950fps.
I have a real issue with using a 308 as a elk rifle past 200 yards. I've seen to many animals run off never to be found when shot with smaller weapons. If you are going to attempt it, use a monolythic bullet (Barnes or Hornad GMX). I'd limit your distance to 250 yards so you don't lose the animal.
AR's for coyotes
25-06 M70 for coyotes
6.5-06 Remington Custom w/Leupold Mark IV 6.5-20 tactical setup
AR10 for mule deer
6.5-06 M700 for mule deer
338 Lapua Mag M700 for elk
Trebark- just my opinion man. I dont have experience with those loads.
308 wisconsin- I cant say for sure on the chamber pressure of 60k being safe in the 308. I read a while back that in a modern bolt action rifle, that it is fine, but I wouldnt bet my eyes and face on it. When pressure shows, I stop. Each rifle is different.
With the proper bullet, Barnes, Sierra GK, Accubond etc. . . you have a solid 600 yard Elk gun. Have used the .308 with three kids to kill Elk, Mule Deer and Hogs at up to 350 using SGK and Nosler BT. If a 300 Win Mag is acceptable at 700+ yards no issues with the .308 at 500. Of course as with any shot bullet placement is key. You have a good diameter med-heavy bullet traveling at medium velocity with well know drop and behaviour. Roll with it, you will be fine. It always amazes me at the poor wrap the 308 gets and the same person will tought the .270. I own and shoot both.
As a hunting rifle:
Med or med/heavy contour barrel 26-28 inches
Good stock, McMillian, Greybull, HS (many others)
Scope in 4-12 or 4.5-14 range
Probably 9-11 pounds max.
Or just buy one of the many Savage or Remington option.