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Unread 11-21-2011, 09:44 AM
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Groups?!?!?!?! IM CONFUSED

I took my .223 to the range last week and started at about 40 yds (sighting in again).

Best group I could get outta the stupid thing was about the size of my fist. I was dissappointed. I was only using factory winchester bulk ammo but 3-4" are you kidding me.

I got got frusterated and just moved target to 100 yds, and it cut a 5-shot ragged hole that was well under .5 MOA.

Having under $300 in the rifle (not counting scope) I was singing at the top of my lungs (almost).

But why the poor groups at 30-40 yards? Maybe it was me?

Rifle is a savage/stevens 200 that has been glass bedded and barrel channel opened up, and panted that aweful stock........
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Unread 11-21-2011, 09:51 AM
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Re: Groups?!?!?!?! IM CONFUSED

I don't know what scope you're using, so this is my best guess.

Good groups at 100 but poor groups 50 and under.?? Most likely parallax.

Most scopes, even if adjustable; wont focus out the parallax when under 50 yds on high power.
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Unread 11-21-2011, 12:21 PM
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Re: Groups?!?!?!?! IM CONFUSED

The scope is a Millet TRS-1...

The parallex was adjusted for aprox 50, power was a bit high cuz I was trying to sight it in Prob (6x-8x).

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Unread 11-21-2011, 01:00 PM
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Re: Groups?!?!?!?! IM CONFUSED

I think bruce may be right. you cant go by the numbers on your scope. look up on here how to adjust the paralax out of your scope. The other possibility is that your bullet has not yet stabilized at 50 or a combination of the 2.... 50 yards is pretty useless info in my opinion 100+ is where you get your real info. But check into the parallax adjustment and see if that helps

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Unread 11-21-2011, 08:15 PM
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Re: Groups?!?!?!?! IM CONFUSED

parallax is one possibility another is luck. Try repeating your 100 yard groups and make sure its consistent. If it is I would vote for parallax.
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Unread 11-21-2011, 11:08 PM
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Re: Groups?!?!?!?! IM CONFUSED

paralax...really? being out of paralax causes a 6 to 8moa group? doesn't quite seem plausible to me, but can't say that for sure.

Need someone to educate us on how paralax could have created such a big problem.

Reshoot 100 yards to verify results....definitely.
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Unread 11-21-2011, 11:17 PM
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Re: Groups?!?!?!?! IM CONFUSED

Shoot It again at 100.
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