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Old 01-29-2005, 01:05 PM
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Getting Started

Hello guys,

I am new to this forum but not new to shooting, hunting, or reloading.
I am very interested in setting up a long range deer caribou hunting/target rig and and would apprciate your suggestions.

I am a Remington M700 fan and would like to start off with a M700 Sendero (I know they have been discontinued but I think I can find one for a fair price). in 300 Win Mag or 300 RUM.
(I currently have a M700 LSS in 338RUM and love it so I already know about recoil. I don't have a problem with 20-25 rounds with 338 RUM).
Is this rifle/caliber a good starting point?

Next would be a scope. Thinking of a Loupold VX III 4.5x14.
Which reticle, B&C or Mil Dot?

Is there anything else I would need to get started? Is there something I am overlooking?

Thank you in advance for your thoughts and comments.

Best Regards,

JD338
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Old 01-29-2005, 05:05 PM
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Re: Getting Started

JD338,

The Sendero is generally a very good factory rifle for long range shooting. Often a trigger job and perhaps a recrown and bedding job and they shoot very well.

As for the two 30 cals you list, I prefer the 300 RUM as far as a big game round but for a long range rifle, the 300 Win is plenty and it tends to be much easier to find a match quality consistant load for. Certainly the 300 RUM can be loaded to match grade levels but the larger round is a bit more finicky as far as consistancy. If you go with the 300 RUM, I would recommend a 200 gr Accubond or a 200 or 220 gr Matchking. The heavier bullets really tame this big gun down as far as consistancy goes.

In the 300 Win any bullet from 180 up will generally produce good consistancy. Remember, at long range is it consistancy that is far more important then shear velocity.

As far as teh scope goes, great choice for a long range hunting scope. I would use the Mil-Dot reticle over teh B&C but thats just me. I like the consistancy of the mil-dot system.

Just as important as your rifle is an accurate range finder. Spend the money to get a quality tool such as the Leica 1200 or the new Swaro that is supposed to be even better then the Leica. Either will perform well for you.

Good Shooting!!

Kirby Allen(50)
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Old 01-30-2005, 01:45 PM
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Re: Getting Started

fiftydriver,

Thank you for the reply.
I have a FFL buddy looking for a M700 Sendaro in 300 RUM or 300 Win Mag at a decent price for me. My preference is the 300 RUM. Sounds like there are slim pickens for Senderos.
As I mentioned, I am a Remington guy, BUT, is there something "better" I should be considering?

As an alturnative, I have a stock (trigger job and Pachmyer Decelerator pad)M700LSS in 338 RUM that will shoot 210, 225, and 250 gr PT's under .5" for 3-4 shot groups at 100 yds IF I do my part. I currently have a VX III 2.5-8 on it. I am considering the VXIII 4.5-14 Mil Dot to get me started.

I live in West MI so finding a place to do long range shooting is somewhat challenging. My gun club has a 300 yd range. I know of another club south of Grand Rapids that has 500 meters. My neighbor has 80 acers that I can use if I set up a safe backstop.
Boy, I am getting fired up!

Thanks for your help and support.

Best Regards,

JD338
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Old 01-30-2005, 03:41 PM
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JD338,

Sounds like your catching the long range bug. Better watch out, has been know to get way out of hand [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]!!!

Your 338 RUM with a proper scope like the 4.5-14 you listed would be a serious long range option. With its factory 1-10 twist it will handle the 300 gr VLD and ULD bullets as well for true extreme range shooting. For anything under the 1/2 mile mark the 225 and 250s will perform well.

I to am a Rem 700 man, nothing really better for the money except to build on a REm 700 for a custom rifle.

Good Shooting!!

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Old 01-30-2005, 08:16 PM
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Re: Getting Started

fiftydriver,

I'm a Nosler guy. Most of my rifles have never seen anything but Nosler PT and BT bullets.
I have been playing around with the 225 gr AB and they shoot pretty good. This spring I plan on testing them at 300 yds +.
I have been reloading for 30 years and now I have to ask a silly question.
What are the 300 gr VLD and ULD bullets that you were refering to?
I am still "wanting " a Sendero in 300 RUM but I will have to wait and see what my buddy can find for me.
I live with 3 women (wife and daughters) and we have show horses so "my" budget is always the one that suffers. That is why I am working with my FFL buddy, he always cuts me a good deal.
I shot in the DCM 600 meter shoot at Camp Perry about 20 yrs ago and got bit by the LR bug. I also shot metallic silhouette in 1997 and really enjoyed hitting those rams at 500 meters with my 280 Rem.
I also killed my only elk in CO in 2002, a 5 pt with my 338 RUM at 350 yds.
I have lived with the LR bug for too long and now its time I do something about it.

Thank you for your help and support. I greatly appreciate it.

Best Regards,

JD338
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Old 01-30-2005, 10:04 PM
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Mule spot? help

I am looking for a outfitter, guide, landowner, etc to either take me mule deer hunting or open the gate for me for a tresspass fee. Not necessarily looking for a monster but a nice representitive. any ideas. Note: I would rather someone open the gate for me and leave me to do it on my own. (I used to guide in alaksa - so I can probally handle myself without a babysitter). Rifle or Bow (but rifle would be better.)
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Old 01-30-2005, 11:05 PM
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JD338,

VLD and ULD are simply bullet designs. VLD stands for "Very Low Drag" and ULD is "Ultra Low Drag."

These bullets are designed strictly for use at extreme range where their long tapered boattails and long sharp pointed nose offer much better ballistic performance then conventional flat base or even boattail bullets.

These bullets are generally very heavy for their cailber. Expamples are 107 to 115 gr 6mm bullets, 156 gr 257s, 170gr in 270, 180 gr in 7mm, 220 to 250 in 308, 300 to 350 in 338.

They are just designed for extreme range shooting to retain as much velocity and limit wind drift as much as possible.

Good Shooting!!

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