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Old 04-20-2006, 10:20 PM
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Re: First varmint gun.

Not to scare you, but the 22-250 is known to eat throats pretty quick. The 223 will last far longer and is capable of longer range shots because of the higher twist barrel. When we go pdog hunting the 22-250's stay in the truck unless the shots are under 300. Especially box stock low twist barrels found on most production guns. They are made for 40 grain bullets that have low BC's and are wind sensitive. My 22-250 uses 34 grains of powder, 223 uses 23 grains in it's accuracy load.

I'm telling you this because I was disappointed with mine on my first long range hunt and would hate it if you had the same trouble. If all your shooting is under 300, go for it.

My 223 will kill Pdogs out to 800, just for comparison. A stock savage or remmy will do it out at 650. Just my .02
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Old 04-21-2006, 04:33 AM
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Re: First varmint gun.

Meister, You shoot PDs out to 800 yds with a 223 but you leave the 22-250 on the truck unless shots are under 300 yds.? Enlighten me.
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Old 04-21-2006, 09:57 AM
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Re: First varmint gun.

Doc

They factory tubes for the 22-250 come with a 1-12 to 1-14 twist where as the 223 comes with a 1-9 twist.

the 22-250 does not have the correct twist to shoot any thing over 60 grains(higher bc bullets) but the 223 has a 1-9 twist to be able to shoot most all the vld type bullets.

this is about backassward thinking from the manufactures i have ever seen.

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Old 04-21-2006, 11:17 PM
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Re: First varmint gun.

One of my favorite LR varmint guns was a Savage 12BVSS that started off as a 22-250 , I bought a used 223 26" barrel and rechambered it for 22-250Ai and shot the 69gr SMKs out of it as fast as accuratley able. it was sweet would hold under the 1/2moa mark out to 500yds.
it was a 1-9 , I had run a Tubbs final finish kit through it when it was still a 223 and when I rechambered I cut about a half inch off of itthen rechambered
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Old 04-22-2006, 12:18 AM
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Re: First varmint gun.

If I were you I'll choose 223 Remington rather than 22-250 for your first Varmint gun. If you compare the two, you'll find out that the 22-250's advantage were few and far between. With carefull handloading, you can streach the performance of the 223. If you want speed, go up a notch and get a 6MM round. As for what brand, that depends on your budget. Kimber is great. Weatherby Varmintmaster is excellent. Remington, Winchester, Ruger are so so. For out of the box accuracy, Savage are hard to beat.
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Re: First varmint gun.

My fav 22-250 load is a 52g SMK at 3500fps. The bc for this bullet is .225. My 223 fav load is a 77g SMK at 2750 with a bc of .362. At 800 yards the 223 has 1209fps, drifts 83" in a 10 mph wind, and drops 272". 22-250 has 1063fps, 113" drift and 240" drop.

The 223's 1-7 barrel allows me to use bullets up to 308 level BC's. In real world conditions a bullet that bucks the wind is more likely to hit it's target in a long range hunting situation where wind is a huge factor.
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Old 04-22-2006, 01:40 PM
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Re: First varmint gun.

Meister,

You will not find too many 22-250 varminters that lumber along their 52gr bullets at 3,500 ft/sec. Therefore, I don't think your comparison is realistic.

The Sierra 52gr SMK bullets would shoot @ 3,800 ft/sec in my Rem 40X. A conservative velocity for most rifles would be at least 3,700 ft/sec. With that in mind, the 22-250 (even with a slow twist bbl) greatly outshines the .223 for shooting varmints at distance.

It amazes me that the major rifle manufactures haven't made some of their 22-250's available with 9" twist barrels. Sierra makes a new 90gr .224" bullet that is supposedly designed for the small case .223 cartridge while the large case 22-250 is still relegated to shooting 50gr-55gr bullets. Some 22-250's won't even handle all of the 55's. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

If I were building a new rifle I would go with the 22BR and a fast twist barrel. Best of all worlds. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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