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Unread 04-19-2006, 05:44 PM
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First varmint gun.

I'm setting up my first varmint gun and have some questions. I have decided to get a .22-250. I want to be able to start at about 250yds and work up to longer ranges. Am I right in thinking this would be the gun for this?
1. What would be the best rifle (rem.,savage,win.)?
2. Since I'm not setup to handload what would be the best factory ammo.
3. Should I go with a heavy barrel?
4. Bipod? What kind?
5. What would be the best scope and what power.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Unread 04-19-2006, 06:29 PM
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Re: First varmint gun.

1) Hard to beat a Savage for out of the box accuracy.

2)Buy one box of every brand/type you can get your hands on and see what your rifle likes.

3)I'd opt for the heavy barrel as they can handle more rounds before heat build up affects accuracy.

4)Bipods would be your most mobile option, I prefer Harris, there are also a number of portable benches available.

5) oh Boy... I'd say get the best you can afford without going bankrupt, which brand is a matter of personal choice. Look through as many as possible and see what your eyes like or dislike. As for power, well varmits is pretty small targets so higher magnification is a plus something like a 6x20 or 6x24 works for most.

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Unread 04-19-2006, 06:35 PM
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Re: First varmint gun.

The only problem i see with the 22-250 is most factory rifles have a 1-12 twist. this to me is a handicap for the 22-250. It limits you to bullets less than 60 grains. For the average hunter this will do to @ 500 yards, but with the case capacity it would be nice to shoot the 69 smks and larger vlds. The 69 smks and up are really for shooting past 500 yards with their higher bc's

just my experience with the 22-250 factory rifle

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Unread 04-19-2006, 08:42 PM
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Re: First varmint gun.

R. Dean, I would go with a Remington. If you ever decide to build a custom rifle, Remington actions can be worked on and turned into an action almost as good as custom ones. Both rifles have big barrels, however, I do think the muzzle dia. on the Savage is a bit larger. I believe the Remington muzzle dia. is .830 and the Savage is .925 at the muzzle. As far as price, I think the Remington VSSF runs around $950.00 and the Savage is around $550.00.

Regarding ammunition, with a 1-12 twist barrel, I would go with something offering a 50grn pill. My friend has a 22-250 in the new Remington VSSF and he shoots factory loads with the 50grn V-MAX. His gun is wicked accurate with that bullet, he also shoots the 50grn ballistic Silver tip and it's accurate too. I don't now what brand the 50grn V-MAX load is, but I belive the 50grn Ballistic Silver tip is Winchester. If I were you, I would buy the Remington over the Savage anyday, but if it comes down to money the Savage is hard to beat.

Regarding bi-pods-I own four Harris bi-pods and I love this product. They are expensive, but worth it.

Regarding optics-Get the best that you can afford, hence, if you go with a Savage Rifle you could spend more money on optics. However, if money is not an object on this project go with Nightforce or Leupold.

Good luck with your choices and let us know what you decide on.

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Unread 04-19-2006, 09:28 PM
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Re: First varmint gun.

For a first rig starting at 250 yards I would give the 223 a hard look, depending on the size of varmints. Black Hills makes some great box cartridges, but I would try several brands then get a case and shoot the hell out of it. Less blast, recoil, and barrel heat. Not as sexy as the 22-250 but a great cartridge [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Unread 04-20-2006, 04:49 PM
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Re: First varmint gun.

I would not hesitate to go with a Savage. I have not ever talked to someone with a heavy barrel Savage that wouldn't shoot lights out (well under moa). My Savage heavy barrel 22-250 routinely groups .3 to .4 moa for 5 shots at 100 yds with 40 and 50 gr handloads.
Having said that, you certainly shouldn't overlook the 223 as stated by Rimfire. Out to 300 yds you don't give up much trajectory to the 22-250. 40 gr ballistic tips will shoot so flat it will scare you, and the 223 is capable of sterling accuracy.
You should also consider handloading. The initial investment doesn't have to be that much--you can get kits with everyting you need for under $200. Find a buddy with some experience to show you the ropes and you can turn out some inexpensive high quality ammo.
Good luck! Sam
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Unread 04-20-2006, 07:40 PM
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Re: First varmint gun.

I would agree with rimfire, the 223 is a great round. I have one, and I always end up shooting more rounds through it then my other rigs. This round is capable of long shots, especially if conditions are right. I make consistant hits on ground squirrels out to 300 to 400 yards with the 223. My longest kill with my 223, so far, is 602 yards on a cotton tail. However, the 22-250 is an awesome round and if you want the best 22 caliber varmint round, get a 220 Swift.

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