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Old 11-16-2012, 05:33 PM
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Re: which is easier to calculate: MOA or MILS?

Yes sir. I see most scopes use this standard. That is definitely easiest for me to use. using 1/8 would just be too much clicking. if I needed to be that accurate for hunting then A: i shouldn't be shooting at the animal or B: just hold over that extra tiny bit. I don't see any need for 1/8 MOA unless I was shooting competition at long ranges.
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Old 11-16-2012, 06:20 PM
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Re: which is easier to calculate: MOA or MILS?

I'm using Mils. although I don't see how it matters that much in a hunting application. Estimating range from objects of a known size is more applicable in tactical scenarios more so than hunting. When making those conversions, using metrics IMO has an advantage if your comfortable with it. I'm not naturally comfortable with it because I've known inches, feet and yards my whole life and it's not that easy to decide your going to think in different increments. Game animals come in all different sizes and stand at all different angles so knowing their dimensions from a distance is more or less a guess past 5 or 600 yards. A range finder and app or cheat sheet is the way to go regardless of what you use. If you want a non-electrical back up, a Mil Dot Master is great and easy on the head too.

I'm using Mils because it's a little different and sometimes it's fun to do things a little outside of your comfort zone. In the strictest sense, using metric units of measure are the way to go if they were universally used but for most of us, it's like learning a different language, albeit an easy language.
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:30 PM
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Re: which is easier to calculate: MOA or MILS?

Ok so I have some follow-up questions. Regardless of MOA or MIL reticles, how does using the reticle for ranging work in regards to SFP and FFP in a variable power scope? Tell me if I am understanding this correctly: if I am ranging a distance target, I would most likely be using the highest magnification on the scope. is ranging on an SFP scope designed to work only on the highest setting? What if I jump a deer at 25 yards and it starts to run? that's too close to be using full magnification. i'd want to have the lowest mag setting for something that close. can ranging be done on different mag settings? I assume this would take a considerable amount of practice/shooting to figure all this out. I like the simple concept of ranging and calculating using the reticle, but does this become considerably more complicated with SFP/variable power scopes?
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:51 PM
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Re: which is easier to calculate: MOA or MILS?

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Ok so I have some follow-up questions. Regardless of MOA or MIL reticles, how does using the reticle for ranging work in regards to SFP and FFP in a variable power scope? Tell me if I am understanding this correctly: if I am ranging a distance target, I would most likely be using the highest magnification on the scope. is ranging on an SFP scope designed to work only on the highest setting? What if I jump a deer at 25 yards and it starts to run? that's too close to be using full magnification. i'd want to have the lowest mag setting for something that close. can ranging be done on different mag settings? I assume this would take a considerable amount of practice/shooting to figure all this out. I like the simple concept of ranging and calculating using the reticle, but does this become considerably more complicated with SFP/variable power scopes?
First off if that deer jumps out and you don't shoot before he is out of the point where you need to dial or hold over you are not likely to be successful off hand anyway. So at this time you need to go prone and wait for him to stop and then range him and make the correction. This should allow time to crank a SFP scope up to where the reticle reads the same as a FFP. But ranging an object of unknown size with a reticle is not a perfect science. Lets say a deer is 18" from brisket to back. I am here to tell you I have seen plenty of them 16" or 20". So a 4" or more miscalculation is possible. 4" on a 20" target is a 20% discrepancy. So a 20% discrepancy under on a range of 500 yards is??? 400 yards You just missed or wounded the animal. This is why I use a good Rangefinder. And that is on calm deer that is not moving increasing the error factor while trying to size him up.

All I use is second focal plane scopes and I do not range with them. I only use the reticle to measure things like groups, animal antler size or misses like I stated before.

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Old 11-16-2012, 07:57 PM
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Re: which is easier to calculate: MOA or MILS?

Ok, so for hunting purposes, the scope reticle is useful to calculate adjustments, but for ranging you simply use a rangefinder. But in tactical situations, FFP is the way to go. Is this a good understanding?
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Ok, so for hunting purposes, the scope reticle is useful to calculate adjustments, but for ranging you simply use a rangefinder. But in tactical situations, FFP is the way to go. Is this a good understanding?
I still have not witnessed one advantage of a FFP scope. That is after biting the bullet and paying the added price for one and also looking through many at the range. For the way I hunt and shoot a SFP does all a FFP will do and also what a FFP will not.

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Old 11-16-2012, 08:10 PM
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Re: which is easier to calculate: MOA or MILS?

Thank you again for your help! This makes things a bit more simple.
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