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Old 03-17-2009, 08:43 AM
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Couple Beginner Questions

Hey guys, I am just starting to look into getting a LR gun to take to the range and have some fun. I am kind of doing this on a budget and after reading the "long range on a budget" article on here I have a pretty good idea what I am after. Not sure how far out I want/can reach with this setup? Like I said I am all new to LR stuff.

Start out with a Stevens 200 in .308 Winchester
Per the article - SSS Competition Trigger
Looking at the Choate Ultimate Sniper Stock
SSS High Capacity Detachable Mag

Now like I said I am just starting out, but I don't want to skimp on optics and want to upgrade in 6 months. So I was looking at the Bushnell 4200 6-24x50 Mil-Dot. I have read that a 20MOA base is not enough if you want to reach out to 1000yds. So what rings and base should I be looking for?

Also as far as muzzle brakes go...Do I need to change barrel's from the beginning, can I stick with the stock one for now? What brake do you guys suggest?

How about bipod as well?

This will most likely just be a range rifle. Not going out hunting with it, just want something worthwhile to go long distance for a hobby gun.

Thanks Alot, and sorry if the questions seem dumb! I am looking at learning as well as possibly doing the assembly myself if I can. If I can't then I will def. have a professional do it.

-Matt
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Old 03-17-2009, 10:18 AM
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Re: Couple Beginner Questions

A 308 shooting 175 Federal Gold Medal Match ammo should reach 1000 yards with 40 MOA of elevation. It will stay supersonic to about 1200 yards give or take a little.


So with a 20 MOA base you will need a scope with about 50 MOA of vertical adjustment or more.

You will not need a brake. A good recoil pad such as a limbsaver will be enough.

Harris bipods are pretty much the standard. Get the one with the swivel base and notched legs. For me I am comfortable with about 9 inches so you can get a short one or a medium one.
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Old 03-17-2009, 10:24 AM
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Re: Couple Beginner Questions

As far changing the barrel goes, only shooting it first will tell you that one. I used to have a savage .270 that shot under 1/2 MOA straight from the box. I have also had some much more expensive rifles that didn't shoot very well at all.

Just take the project in steps and let the rifle tell you what it needs.
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Old 03-17-2009, 01:13 PM
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Re: Couple Beginner Questions

Steps are exactly what I planned on!

Ok so I will stick with the stock barrel while I learn the ropes of LR shooting.

A muzzle brake is not needed at first or for any reason?

And I guess my biggest questions are on the scope. I have read great things about the 4200 series, but that it needs more than a 20 MOA base. I guess I don't quite grasp this part yet!

Single or 2 piece? Name brand base and rings? I have been reading up on this the last couple months, and probably need to do some more. Just looking for a couple suggestions is all I guess.

Thank you again and sorry for the beginner questions!

-Matt
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Old 03-17-2009, 02:08 PM
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I would skip the Choate stock and get the SSS LVT instead. Much better stock for only a little more money.

Unless you are going to shoot tactical matches where you need the quick reload, skip the detachable mag for now. Spend the money on the scope.

I would go with burris double dovetail bases and the burris signature rings. This setup is as solid as anything else and has the MOA inserts where you can put between 5 and 40 MOA in your set up and only costs around $75.

Go with the new Sightron S3 in 6-24x50 with mil dots. Glass is clearer than the NF, solid turrets and clicks and 100 MOA elevation compared to maybe 50 with the Bushnell and less clear glass. Go to www.6mmbr.com and read the writeups on it.

good used setups for what you want are often available on www.savageshooters.com and all the parts and links also.

On Savage shooters you can get a new 30" savage 308 barrel that is really shooting with the new Sierra 155 bullets and shooting well inside the 175 SMK for both windage and elevation.

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Old 03-17-2009, 07:31 PM
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BH beat me to the "skip the choate stock."

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Old 03-17-2009, 08:29 PM
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Re: Couple Beginner Questions

The way you determine the amount of elevation you need in a scope is to start with the amount of drop you will need to shoot the longest distance. In the case of the 308 we will assume it is 1000 yards and 40 MOA.

So with the rifle zeroed at 100 yards you must have 40 MOA of elevation left in the turret knob plus a couple for buffer.

Assuming the receiver of the rifle is level (not always the case) then a scope mounted on a flat base will be zeroed at just about the center of the adjustment range. In other words a scope with 50 MOA of total adjsutment will have 25 MOA UP and 25 MOA DOWN. Clearly with a flat base you do not have enough "UP" to adjust 40 MOA to shoot a 1000 yard target.

So you use a 20 MOA base which then means that the rifle is zeroed at 20 MOA below center or down to the very bottom with only 25-20 = 5 MOA left of DOWN adjustment. You then have 20+ 25 MOA of UP adjustment. Working with so little room for error (only 5 MOA left of DOWN when zeroed and only 5 MOA of UP buffer) is risky unless you know that the receiver if truly flat. You can wind up not being able to zero at 100 yards or not being able to adjust to 1000 yards if the receiver is off more than 5 MOA.

Options are to use the Burris Signature rings as mentioned or if the scope you choose has some type of grid reticle you can use the grid to augment the elevation adjustment.

If you are not going to hunt with the rifle there is not a lot of reason to have a variable scope. Fixed power scopes are simpler and will often give you better optics for less money.

For a 308 there is not a lot of need for a muzzle brake. If you want one that is fine. It is not a big deal to put it on at a later date. I would not plan on it.
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