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Old 12-16-2012, 07:13 PM
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toddc, I do reload so I know its easy to make any round fit your needs and hunting style but I already have tons of brass and good bullet selections since I already have one figuring it would make the transition simple and easy but I'm with you on the 7mm. They are a very efficient and capable round. The one thing I was worried about with some of the 7mms is barrel lenght. Most guys seem to use a 26 in barrel and break which adds to the weight. Are there some 7mm mag rounds that dont require a long tube or break? Like I said a post or two ago the 280 came to mind and even a 284. Other concern is what kind of barrel life are guys getting from something like a 7mm stw? open to all new ideas so keep em coming.
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:37 PM
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toddc, I do reload so I know its easy to make any round fit your needs and hunting style but I already have tons of brass and good bullet selections since I already have one figuring it would make the transition simple and easy but I'm with you on the 7mm. They are a very efficient and capable round. The one thing I was worried about with some of the 7mms is barrel lenght. Most guys seem to use a 26 in barrel and break which adds to the weight. Are there some 7mm mag rounds that dont require a long tube or break? Like I said a post or two ago the 280 came to mind and even a 284. Other concern is what kind of barrel life are guys getting from something like a 7mm stw? open to all new ideas so keep em coming.
If ya wanna play in the west its easier to have a tad longer tube and 150 yds more effective range than worry about 2-3" of barrel. Barrels are consumable. LR is not cheap any way you see it. Practicing and gettin used to a 308 in the long run will mean you then have to get used to a REAL GUN so it really costs more. Yes the nonmag 7s would be vastly preferable to a 308 but horsepower you can handle is nice. 2-3" of barrel doesnt weigh that much and trust me when I tell you that lightweight and LR are an oxymoron.
A 7 shortmag would let you save some weight but learning to shoot is so easy with a lil heavier gun.
I have a 32lb 338 I have had dozens of people kill deer over 750 with the 1st time they shoot it. Guys talk about how hard this stuff is...with the right tools and a monkey to pull the trigger this is easy. Wrong tools=a real biatch for anyone.
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Old 12-16-2012, 08:00 PM
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If your just after a 600 or 800 yard deer or elk all around rifle you can easily start reloading the 270 win with some good bullet and you can shoot it a lot. The 300 win mag has some good factory fodder if you have to stay that route, it just give you more than the 308 with the heavy weight bullets. Just remember if you just want a general hunting rifle with an extended range do not build something that you can not go into the timber with, with a little pressure you'll have to go in after elk and a dedicated LR rifle will SUCK!
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:10 PM
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For the most part I think toddc has many good points. I can't say I agree with the 7 but that's a minor issue. Savage action means you do not need a gunsmith, save your money. You can run any cartridge all the way up to the 338 edge. If your current guns are good shooters don't mess with them, just start a new one. Since you reload your options are limitless. When you start talking about 600 it means 800 is not far off and if you set up a gun for long range, practice it, learn it, love it.............you're going to want more. Then you see some of the terrain out here in the west and that monster bull just beyond you reach at dusk.........you'll be thinking you need more. New brass prepped for long range consistency from the start is a worthy investment and insignificant cost relative to the cost of this process. I like more barrel life than the sevens but thats just me. A 300 mag with or without a brake depending on how heavy you set this up is what I would do. Barrel length required will vary on cartridge selection but you do not need a 30". My favorite rifle is a 338 edge on a 116 savage, used as a single shot, with a 24" barrel I am 50fps behind the guys packing around 30" barrels, and they usually are using more powder to get that measly 50fps. Spend some money on your scope. You do not need to spent insane money but 500-1k will get you a real nice lr scope. Your optics will make or break a long range project. Research everything carefully and thoroughly as there is a lot of misinformation out there, We are on the internet after all............. When someone suggests for a 600+ yard elk rifle that you buy a rem 700sps 308 and pay them to fix it for you.....run away.
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For the most part I think toddc has many good points. I can't say I agree with the 7 but that's a minor issue. Savage action means you do not need a gunsmith, save your money. You can run any cartridge all the way up to the 338 edge. If your current guns are good shooters don't mess with them, just start a new one. Since you reload your options are limitless. When you start talking about 600 it means 800 is not far off and if you set up a gun for long range, practice it, learn it, love it.............you're going to want more. Then you see some of the terrain out here in the west and that monster bull just beyond you reach at dusk.........you'll be thinking you need more. New brass prepped for long range consistency from the start is a worthy investment and insignificant cost relative to the cost of this process. I like more barrel life than the sevens but thats just me. A 300 mag with or without a brake depending on how heavy you set this up is what I would do. Barrel length required will vary on cartridge selection but you do not need a 30". My favorite rifle is a 338 edge on a 116 savage, used as a single shot, with a 24" barrel I am 50fps behind the guys packing around 30" barrels, and they usually are using more powder to get that measly 50fps. Spend some money on your scope. You do not need to spent insane money but 500-1k will get you a real nice lr scope. Your optics will make or break a long range project. Research everything carefully and thoroughly as there is a lot of misinformation out there, We are on the internet after all............. When someone suggests for a 600+ yard elk rifle that you buy a rem 700sps 308 and pay them to fix it for you.....run away.
Im with you. A 7 STW is just like a BARE MINIMUM. Yes smaller will work but there is no replacement for displacement. Im an edge man myself though the big 30s have a place also. The 7 stw would be a nice STARTER GUN for LR. Recoil stays sane with a brake and the torque isnt like on a 300gr slug. But im cool with stw on up.
Regardless anything makes more sense than a 308.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:51 AM
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Imo, 600yds with a 308 is really pushing it on wapiti. Elk run like the wind and don't stop for anything when hit. So you got to anchor them. If it was me i would go with a least a 7mm rem mag and a 168gr berger. Yes, it can be done with smaller rounds but i don't want to chase them too far.
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Nothing like going to the extreme. A 32# hunting rig? I don't think so. Like BnG sad, you have a decent start with the 270, but for a better, but not goofy round, the 7mag is hard to beat. Relatively easy to shoot and load, has enough punch to do the job, and it doesn't need to be 32#. The 7s are hard to beat.
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