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Old 06-04-2013, 05:24 PM
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I would not hesitate to use a 7STW on a 1000 yd bull elk with the right bullet and under good conditions, but I would hesitate to shoot one with a 7RM because that is plain stretching their capability to the max. I would also hesitate to use a 300 WSM depending on conditions. I would like to see 2000 fps velocity with a 308 cal 180 gr bullet or 1800 fps velocity with a 215 gr bullet.

On the rest of your post I pretty much agree. A 338 is more than needed for other game inside of a 1000 yardsa nd one could choose to go with a 300 WM or 300 RUM and still have a good 1000 yd elk rifle. In fact, based on my calculations using a 230 gr hybrid out of a 300 RUM, I am probably good to go to 1200 - 1500 yds in most elk country ranging 3000'-9000' in elevation as long as the rifle and shooter are up to it.

But... the 338 will do the same thing a little better with a bigger hole.

The way I see it, go with a lesser rifle more suited to deer size game out to 1000 yds and cut back your max elk range a little or go big and be capable of anything comfortably beyond 1000 yds.
Yeah, that is basically what I meant by stretching the 7, and I know it can be a little stretch for the WSM as well...we are on the exact same page.

With the 300 RUM you can easily push the 215 Hybrid over 3,000 fps. Plug those numbers into a ballistics calc and you will see that it will kill anything at well over 1,200 yards.
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Yeah, that is basically what I meant by stretching the 7, and I know it can be a little stretch for the WSM as well...we are on the exact same page.

With the 300 RUM you can easily push the 215 Hybrid over 3,000 fps. Plug those numbers into a ballistics calc and you will see that it will kill anything at well over 1,200 yards.
I figure I can get 3100 fps with the 215 and Retumbo and 3000 fps with the 230 and RL33 in a 27" barrel. Maybe a little more with a nitrided 5C barrel. I'll be finding out soon.
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Old 06-09-2013, 08:49 PM
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so, I'm thinking between the 300 mag, 300 rum or 338 edge. thoughts in each?
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Old 06-09-2013, 10:06 PM
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Hurl427, I knew a guy in Colorado that got his Elk every year with a 300 Savage (less power than the 308 Win). He knew his limit was 250 yds. or less and delivered the payload to the lungs. I personally would not shoot at an Elk over 350 yds. away with the 308 Win. I like the round and use it as my 500 yd. bench gun every winter. I also have a 300 Win Mag that I use for filling the freezer. it's overkill in the woods, but nice for those 600 yd. open shots. If I were to try to take a Deer or Elk beyond 500 yds., I would use my 300 Win Mag. It's very accurate and easy to shoot. A 7mm Rem Mag would also be a good choice, good BC, good SD, and Velocity. If your trying to go tactical in appearance, you are more likely to find the 308 Win or 300 Win Mag. Do not take me wrong, the 308 Win is a great cartridge, but it does have it's limits. Good Luck.

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Old 06-10-2013, 09:17 AM
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so, I'm thinking between the 300 mag, 300 rum or 338 edge. thoughts in each?
I would say one of the 300's...from there, it's just a matter of increased speed and maximum distance for the RUM, but along with that comes increased recoil as well.
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Old 06-11-2013, 01:23 PM
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cohunter14,

I agree with 99% of your statement. The 1% I hold in reservation is that the sectional density of the bullet makes a big difference as well. Some of the slower moving 6.5 mm's and 7 mm's have excellent sectional density. Depending on the load, they can often be made to approximate some of the standard loads of the 300's. For a shot over 500 yds. on an Elk, I'm in your camp with the 300's. Does anyone out there have any experience with the 30-06 necked down to 6.5 mm ? That might be a sweet one for a beginner in long range hunting

Crusty Buck
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:39 PM
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cohunter14,

I agree with 99% of your statement. The 1% I hold in reservation is that the sectional density of the bullet makes a big difference as well. Some of the slower moving 6.5 mm's and 7 mm's have excellent sectional density. Depending on the load, they can often be made to approximate some of the standard loads of the 300's. For a shot over 500 yds. on an Elk, I'm in your camp with the 300's. Does anyone out there have any experience with the 30-06 necked down to 6.5 mm ? That might be a sweet one for a beginner in long range hunting

Crusty Buck
Yes, obviously you can shoot a lot of paper or smaller game with calibers like that, but when the conversation includes 1,000 yards and elk, I think those are out of the equation.
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