has anyboy on here ever attended r.w.Hart's long range hunting school, or any other school like it. i live in southeastern Pa and i am really looking into a school to help me build upon the skills i already possess, and i am extremely surprised at the cost of such schools. i dont mind spending the money but finding one the someone recommends is becoming a chore. the hart school aint to far from where i live so i thought i may check into it, just wondering if it would be 4days of a sales pitch. any help would be appreciated
Location: SOCIALIST CONTROLLED TERRITORY OF NEW YORK
Re: anybody ever attended a schhoting school
I was sent to a few civilan run schools when I was in the Military. I learned more in a week of shooting with them, than I had in the 4 years of service I had to that point. 9 years later I'm still using the things I learned their to teach others.
Bottom line is most our worth it as long as you can vet the instructors. Their are alot of other schools out their you could shop around. I bet if you PM some of the member in PA you could go shooting with them and learn.
Long Range Firing School, at Camp Perry after the Nationals. Used to be run by Mid Tompkins, and was co-instructed by the AMU guys and members of the Marine Rifle team. Classroom courses in the evening during the matches themselves, and then we had four days of firing on the range, complete with wind classes, position coaching, the whole deal. wound up firing a couple matches at the end of gthe course, with Carlos Hathcock (his son, who was then still a member of the Marine team) serving as my coach. Great stuff, and a very well run course.
I have a question, I think it fits this discussion.
Learning to shoot. In shooting you always learn, and there is always room for improvement.
How does one know one has become competent?
How does one know if once a good shooter that they are still competent?
Is it confidence in one's own abilities with a rifle?
Is it measurable, does one measure against other shooters, competition? Is it measured by averages, repeatability, being able to go out judge wind & distance and strike where the rifle is pointed at any given time, every time?
There are only two seasons: Hunting season, and Getting Ready for Hunting season. -DAD
You set goals, for one. Easier for competitive shooters since there's a benchmark to measure yourself by, and usually a series of markers along the way. For a Service Rifle shooter, there's the Distinguished Rifleman's badge, and The President's Hundred. Earn those two, and you're a true Service Rifle shooter. Other benchmarks you can set for yourself, such as making High Master classification with the Service Rifle, instead of with a Match Rifle. In Silhouette, there's the Grand Slam; ten animals in a row on all four banks of targets. Or, just moving up in classificaton, from AA, to AAA, or even Master. Same for any other type of shooting competitons, from Bullseye, to Smallbore Prone, 3-P, 4-P, etc..
I'm firmly convinced that those benchmarks, and the hardline goals set along the way are what draw some people to competitive shooting, and drives other away from it. Some people don't like finding or being reminded of their limitations. Competitive shooters need such indicators, and focus their energies on improving on those areas. There's no BS'ing a scoreboard. Either you performed, or you didn't, and it's there for all to see.
My answer to Bowkills post: if you are looking for a REALLY good and reliable school on the cheap - good luck. If you find one, PM me with the details. Better bet is to search for quality above everything else. The folks that know what they are doing charge the money for it because they can - people are willing to pay to get that knowledge, and those that are willing to pay USUALLY have deeper pockets than most, thus the market price. I think that this is probably one of the most under-analyzed facets of this activity - the costs of the learning curve can be quite high, as much as a custom rifle, sans scope. I seriously think that the cost for a civilian to gain this knowledge, the requisite equipment and a high level of proficiency is about $5K on the LOW end when it is ALL taken into account. But hey, after that is only bullets, powder and primer, right ?!?! Not like fishing or golf or anything....
You pay for your education no matter what the field of learning.
If you go to a "cheap" school you will get a "cheap" education. I took a course on shooting a shotgun for sporting clays. The instructor was a former world record holder in sporting clays. I won 2 state championships after that. I had already won my first one before that. The problem targets I had were quickly solved. The only targets I had problems with after that school were from the loose screw behind the trigger guard.
My long range shooting was learned initially in the army. I competed in club matches in the 1980's and learned alot more why??? I've come to realize that you can only learm more when your ready to learn it.
Meaning if you go to school and you still haven't learned the basics of marksmanship detailed elsewhere on this site. Most of the finer points will be not realized the first time through a class. If you were to video tape your form while you shoot you can learn if you have anything that needs to be corrected before going to school. Again education isn't free how you learn should determine how you should pursue your education.
If you do best by repetition I strongly suggest a video camera and coach. If you do better watching others a group type class would be a better approach. Knowing what you require to grasp a concept is going to be the best way for you to progress at this sport.