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Unread 04-12-2004, 11:52 PM
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Re: Another Newbie needs help finding a rifle

I appreciate the recomendation of the leica rangefinder. I have a bushnell yardage pro 600 but it and every other rangefinder I have tried are only good to about half of what they are rated at therefore i figured that there was no need to waste the money on a 1000 yard rangefinder that would only be reliable to 500 yards.

I live in Northern California and just only hunt the Columbian Blacktail Deer that at the max are around 150 pounds (at least where I hunt.) SO I think you are right about not needing to go any larger than a 7mm mag.

But sorry to push your buttons if i said something wrong.
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Unread 04-13-2004, 12:47 AM
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Re: Another Newbie needs help finding a rifle


I'll say this first, only because it's most important you approach this from a responsible dirrection from your begining into this most personally rewarding endevour. Out to 300-400 yards, maybe 500 or so, you might be close enough in judging range after some good experimentation with your rangefinder, but out there and beyond that it is way to tricky to accurately guess within 50 yards, sometimes even 150-200 yards even. After you study ballistics out there at those distances for a little while, one soon comes to the only logical conclusion possible; The range must be within 25 yards, better to be within 10-15 if you're gettin on near 1000 yards away, or you simply hit too high or low no matter what MV and BC you're running. Once you hit an animal, and you know it was just fool luck you did, either because you guessed close, walked the rounds in when you found out you were wrong on the first one... or two... or three, or you wound one and it runs off on you or just lays there and suffers makin you feel real bad about your decision to take the questionable shot... You will start to rethink your approach to long range hunting and what you really want to do the next time you're faced with that decision. Do I prepare more by buying better gear to increase my "effective" range, use a better rest to put it all together, determine my rifle and my capability at any range with enviromental conditions I plan on hunting in, or just do what any person with a rifle and ammo can do, nearly ignore the most important variable in long range by guessing, sprayin and prayin.

If you have any self respect, and pride yourself in placing a killing shot every time you pull the trigger, which I'm guessing you do, you'll never be satisfied with taking a shot with a rifle, load and range that you are not totally confident in.

Guys here will hunt with a proven rig, load, and range verification, all within the abilities they've proven to themself to be 100% successful at day in and day out.

If anyone didn't have a rangefinder and mentioned they were thinking they'd be OK guessing at 500-600 yard shots until they did, they'd get the same thoughtful replies, so at 1000 yards or a bit more is mentioned, it's more than necessary to point out the problems in detail.

I'd buy the Lieca 1200 Scan model, THEN either a B&L 3200 or 4200 Elite, new Leupold VX-3, then get a rifle you prefer. $1500 will easily buy all three, plus a Harris bipod I wouldn't be without.

I looked at the new Leupold VX-3 4.5-14 with the B&C reticle, it has finger adjustable turrets. It also has 70 MOA vertical adjustment from stop to stop, more than it was rated for.

I wouldn't sweat going with a Savage one bit, but a 300 mag would be my choice. The 300 Ultra with the brake, kicks less than an '06 but way more retained energy near 1000 yards, and MUCH less wind drift. And wind drift will be your range limiting factor.

One note - I get 600 yard readings from my Bushnell YP1000 LRF routinely, often out to 800 with a little patience. When it isn't too bright out, near dawn and dusk it will go past 1000 pretty easy, and in lower light it's went to 1400 yards on certain objects, 1200-1300 on many. A friend's Lieca 1200 was a bit better than mine when we compared them once during the day at 600-1000 yards.
Brent Moffitt
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Unread 04-13-2004, 06:58 AM
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Re: Another Newbie needs help finding a rifle

been thinking about this post for an hour now...

LF, the first thing you will notice is that this "game" takes $$$ and at 17, $$$ is usually spent on chicks and cars, I was a poster child for that at one time.. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

I have had just about every lazer range finder on the market... this is by far one of the most important aspects of this game... even the military guys who use the mil-dot system have a hard time getting within 10-20 yards of a target.

It sounds as though you are going at this alone.. and here is a problem.. I know, I did it... there are A-LOT of things to learn and without someone there with you .. it takes TIME!! Again, I will be redundant and say that you need to start with a caliber and rifle that can teach you something.. the .308 no question about it... unless you reload you will have a hard time finding any quality ammo out there that is consistent from lot to lot.. with the 308 you have a few really good choices for ammo... The 308 is more than enough for the blacktail... out to about 750 yards or so.. for you and just starting this venture .. thats a long way... even if you started shooting today and shot every other day until the season starts you might not even be ready for a shot over 500 if you need to range, calculate the angle and take the necessary steps to place that first shot where it counts.. your gonna need to start to learn the ballistics of the rifle your shooting, how use the scope you choose etc. all that take A-LOT of range time which also takes alot of money.. which for me was tough to come by at 17 when all my buddies were out crusin and trying to put notches on the belt [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

I'm not saying it can't be done .. what I am saying is that even getting into this cheaply is expensive.. ( if that makes sense )

Personaly I would go with a Rem.. because when you get through the learning process you can have a smith easily build on the action...

scopes... man.. lupy is hard to beat as an entry level... and more... they can be had for sale on several boards... you NEED turets no question..

just my thoughts .. this is a serious game and not to be taken lightly or haphazardly when you feel like it .. it takes serious dedication.... prepare yourself....
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