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Old 05-24-2009, 01:03 PM
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Re: am i thinking too much of the .308

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Hay I know we talked before about the 308 what weight ACCUBONDS do you shoot?
In the 308, mostly 150's. You can get the velocity up to a point you have reliable expansion farther than the 165's, 180's or 200's.

I have also used the 180 at good velocities (2700+) but find the 150's adequete. My cousin shot clean through a mature bull moose last summer at 600 yards with the 150 AB. Sounds a bit light for that task and maybe it is, but it worked.

As a side note, I am getting superb speeds out of my new Hart 26" 11x barrel with all bullets except the 150's. 2700-2800 out of the 178 AMAX and 2700 out of the 190's, 2560 from the 208 AMAX. Federal gold medal match is running 2785 with the 168 SMK's. Primers are perfect and extraction is as easy as if there wasnt a case in the chamber in all loads. 150's are average at 2900-2950.
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Old 05-24-2009, 01:14 PM
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Re: am i thinking too much of the .308

I've been fooling around with a Lawton based .308 for awhile now. The 165gr Accubond over 44.0gr Of RE15 in a Lapua case with 210M primers is putting every round on a 1.25" orange dot at 300yds. I never built the rifle to shoot much farther than that but I'm rethinking the whole utility of this rifle considering the ballistics and the accuracy. Velocity is 2,700 ft/sec

Just for the heck of it I loaded 5 Nosler 150gr E-Tips with the same load and had them set .050" off the rifling. Shooting @ 200 yds produced a 4 hole group of .6 with a single bullet 2" away. ?? I'll give her another try. The Oheler wasn't set up so I could only guess as to the accuracy.

I'm really starting to like the .308. The best part is I won't have to replace the barrel every 1,000 rnds like the big guns.
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Old 05-24-2009, 02:18 PM
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Re: am i thinking too much of the .308

Come on guys you making me regret turning my Mcmillan M98 from a 308 to a 260rem.

Michael Eichele

Hay thanks for the quick reply thats quite a feet that 150 passing through that moose like it did but Im not supprised. I think the 308 gets the short end of the stick most of the time.

Glad to here that barrel is working out so well. I have thought a few times about shooting over there to there shop its about an hour away and just picking through things.

I have a blackstar barrel sitting in the basement unchambered thinking 300 win this time.
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Old 05-24-2009, 05:09 PM
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Re: am i thinking too much of the .308

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I've been fooling around with a Lawton based .308 for awhile now. The 165gr Accubond over 44.0gr Of RE15 in a Lapua case with 210M primers is putting every round on a 1.25" orange dot at 300yds. I never built the rifle to shoot much farther than that but I'm rethinking the whole utility of this rifle considering the ballistics and the accuracy. Velocity is 2,700 ft/sec

Just for the heck of it I loaded 5 Nosler 150gr E-Tips with the same load and had them set .050" off the rifling. Shooting @ 200 yds produced a 4 hole group of .6 with a single bullet 2" away. ?? I'll give her another try. The Oheler wasn't set up so I could only guess as to the accuracy.

I'm really starting to like the .308. The best part is I won't have to replace the barrel every 1,000 rnds like the big guns.
This post is very well put and illustrates why I have been such a 308 fan all these years. Where the 308 lacks in horsepower, it makes up for in accuracy, consistency, low recoil, long barrel life and ease of tuning. It certainly is NOT a very "sexy" round but from a long range shooting standpoint and everything that goes into LR shooting, she is a very practical round. It is definately one of the most overlooked and underrated calibers on the LR scene. Choosing the right bullet for the job may be more critical than with a big boomer as a 308 has less starting velocity and doenst deliver as much remaining velocity so a bullet that will expand at lower velocities are a must for using this round as a long range hunter. This is what is nice about the ACCUBOND and ballistic tip. Very close POI's and you can use one for closer shots and another for farther shots. Throw in the AMAX for even longer shots, keep em in the ribs and youre in buisness. The 190's have been a long time favoraite of mine in the 308. The BERGER 190 VLD with a .570 BC at 2715 FPS is a formidable LR big game smitter.
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Re: am i thinking too much of the .308

What powder do you use to get 2,715 with a 190?
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Re: am i thinking too much of the .308

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What powder do you use to get 2,715 with a 190?
VV N-540

Trust me, this stuff is awesome. I have run the 190 faster with it, just not accurately.

I have also got 2850 with the 178. This was absolute max. I have got over 2900 with the 168 AMAX with room to spare. My accuracy loads for the 178 are 2750 and 2810 with the 168. 2715 was the best overall for the 190's.
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Re: am i thinking too much of the .308

Geeeez M.E. - your loads make mine seem kind of whimpy. I was loading all the 165-168gr bullets @ about 2,700 ft/sec and the 150's to 2,800 ft/sec. I never loaded any hotter because the Lapua brass is hard to find lately and kind of expensive too.
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