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Old 09-28-2005, 07:27 PM
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Re: Which .338 should I have built?

I have built about 100 or more Lapuas on the 700, so I am pretty sure it will handle it- Remington did it way back and they are doing some again for the military......

lv2hunt, drop me an email...I am sure we can get you something built like you are looking for.......
Not to take away from Shawn and the edge, but the Lapua is still king of the 338s....good brass....factory ammo...no fireforming or custom dies needed.....
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Old 09-28-2005, 08:32 PM
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Re: Which .338 should I have built?

Thanks Chris, I sent you an e-mail.
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Old 09-28-2005, 09:48 PM
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Re: Which .338 should I have built?

Since you didn't detail, let me ask these questions for you to consider.

how portable do you need this rifle to be? Walk around with it or just out of the truck and good to go?

Will you use a muzzle brake?

How much hunting will you REALLY do beyond 750yds? Be honest, this is your hunting spot. Only you know the answer to this.

How windy is the valley?

Will you need a quick follow up shot?

How much of your budget are you willing to invest in support optics? This stuff ain't cheap, well could be...

There is little doubt that the 338 in just about any cartridge is a boomer. By answering the above, you will quickly narrow down your choices. I hunt under similar conditions and don't use a 338 because I don't need to.

Ballistically, 250 to 300gr bullets are you best bet. But unless you get them over 2800fps, at range, wind can buck them around. In a mountain valley, I suspect updrafts and crosswinds are common and sudden. So now we are talking faster like 3000 to 3200fps. That's a very big cannon.

Consider that all you really need is a heavy for cal bullet from 7mm to 338 to do this job.

Personally, with wind being a constant enemy, I would go for the fastest cartridge to launch a suitable bullet. Any bullet in the 162/175gr and up arriving at 2200fps and faster is plenty lethal for your intended target and range.

I would look at a fast 7mm with a hot RM as a min, better a STW or a RUM if you can handle a 28"+ barrel. Launch 162gr AMax as a min, 175 to 180 better, some of Wildcat super heavies as an insurance policy.

Wind drift will be less then a slow 338 or a fast 225/250gr bullet. Impact energy is more then sufficient (my loads arrive at 1000yds with over 1800ft/lbs but more importantly, over 2400fps).

Next up, the 30 cal with heavies. 300WM is a marginal min. 300Wby and 200gr accubonds is nice. A RUM going faster is nicer (220gr MK or 210gr Bergers would do the job nicely). Recoil at this level without a muzzle brake or a very heavy rifle is stout. Certainly way to much for you to spot your own hits.

Are you hunting with a spotter?

The 338 are boomers but create their own series of problem. I don't like LR hunting with any rig that will not allow me to spot my hits at distance. With or without a spotter, being able to see the hit confirms what I do next way quicker.

When I hunt, the rig has to also function in the way I am going to move about or not. 36" barreled 35lbs cannons don't make for portable rigs. Gentle to shoot monster bullets.

Since it sounds like a single shot is not out of the question, I would keep the action you have and rebarrel. Odds are a standard length fat boy like the Dakota family will work just fine if you do need a repeater. Again, a 7 or 30cal are ideal.

Inside 1000yds, a cannon is nice but unless you can go fast enough wind will limit your range.

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Old 09-28-2005, 11:14 PM
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Re: Which .338 should I have built?

Jerry,

Thanks for all of the information, I apoligize for not elaborating on my needs of this rifle a little more; please allow me to clarify.

You Asked:

Q: How portable do I need this rifle to be?
A: This rifle will primarily be setup on a portable shooting bench, approx. 1 mile from the nearest road; my shooting bench sets on a ridgetop at almost 5,000 feet in altitude. However, with this being said I would like portability if needed, I dont want a bench only rifle. Also, this rifle must only weigh in at 15.5 lbs when completed and topped with a scope, Idaho state rules.

Q: Will I use a muzzle break?
A: Yes, I would like to use a Vais style muzzle break or similar.

Q: How much hunting will you REALLY do beyond 750yds?
A: About a third of the animals I see are past the 750 yard mark.

Q: How windy is the valley?
A: Generally light 5 to 15mph, gusts as much at 30 mph at times though.

Q: Will you need a quick follow up shot?
A: Yes, almost always follow up with a second shot.

Q: How much budgeted for optics?
A: I would like to stay around 1,000 dollars for the scope.

Q: Will I have a spotter?
A: Sometimes yes, most times no.

Jerry I hope these answers help, I appreciate your input.

Concerning the 7mm Remington Ultra Mag. route are you shure this would pack enough punch at this yardage, I am just getting into hand loading and would probably be purchasing the majority of my ammunition over the counter.

If you think this is the way to go my local gun shop actually has a used Remington 700 7mm RUM Sendaro. Would this be a good base to build a custom rifle on?

Please let me know, I look forward to hearing from you.

Thank you,
Lv2hunt
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Old 09-29-2005, 07:23 AM
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Re: Which .338 should I have built?

I've been following your project and couldn't help but interject. If you planning on shooting long range it is NOT a good idea to be shooting with no spotter, especially with a lighter weight rifle. Upon recoil you rifle will jump of target and you will probably never get to see where you hit. That is why it is almost imperative to have a spotter. Also you would probably be better off going with a .30 cal with 240's for the distances you plan on shooting. A 300 wthby or a .308 baer with 240's will still have enough energy to effectively kill out to a max range of about 1200 yards. A .30-.378 will be able to stretch even a little farther. This does all depend on length of barrel though. Good luck!
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Old 09-29-2005, 08:11 AM
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Re: Which .338 should I have built?

Montour Rifles,

Points well taken thank you, I will definitley be using a spotter when available; and your right anything under a .30 caliber is just too small for me to be comfortable with.

Everyone,
After reviewing an overwhelming amount of information on this site, I have narrowed my search down to three different rifles from which to choose; please give me your thoughts.

1st choice) .338 Lapua on a 700 action.
2nd choice) Shawn's .338 Edge.
3rd choice) Accurized and re-barreled .338 RUM

All of these would be bedded into an A-5 Mcmillan stock and must not weigh more than 15.5 lbs fully dressed.

If you have any information or comments good or bad on these three rifle choices please let me know.

Thank you,
Lv2hunt
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Old 09-29-2005, 05:22 PM
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Re: Which .338 should I have built?

Hello,

So I spoke with Shawn today concerning his .338 EDGE, what a great guy. I have now narrowed my choices down to two .338 rifles of which to build.

1st choice) The .338 EDGE, Remington 700 action.
2nd choice) The .338 Lapua, Remington 700 action.

Please let me know which route you would take if it were you.
Thank you,
Brandon
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