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Old 06-27-2010, 02:16 AM
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Re: 308 or 284

if keeping cost down is a consideration, then look at the 6.5x47 lapua, 260rem, or getting more expensive, 6.5x284. Excellent high BC bullets available, and proven very accurate with low recoil that you can shoot all day to 1000yds very accurately...
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Old 06-27-2010, 04:56 AM
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Re: 308 or 284

Many calibers would work, but for your application I'd choose the 6.5x284.
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Old 06-27-2010, 10:56 AM
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Re: 308 or 284

I feel, in the area that I hunt that 650 yards will be the longest shot that I will have to take. I have seen elk shot at 75 yards with a 7mm Remington magnum, and still make it a long way. Our hunting group has a rule, if they are still moving, we are still shooting. Once they go down they aren't allowed to get back up, and yes, I have seen that happen too. Elk tenaciously hang on to life, they are absolutely amazing animals. I have seen a recent video of an elk shot with a 6.5-284, so I admit it can be done, but I just don't feel comfortable with these small caliber bullets. The .284 caliber is about my lowest limit for elk hunting.
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Old 06-27-2010, 12:38 PM
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Re: 308 or 284

I would again recommend the 7mm saum for a short action and long action the 280AI. you would be more than happy woth the balance of power and managable recoil. I talked to a well known gunsmith on this site and recommeded the 280 AI over the 7mm rem mag.
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Old 06-27-2010, 02:08 PM
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Re: 308 or 284

I have been going through this site looking for info on caliber selection for my purpose. I am leaning towards a Savage rifle in a 300wsm caliber. The extra punch over the 308 or 284 is never a bad thing. I always seem to come back to the 300wsm, I guess that means something.
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Old 07-02-2010, 01:18 PM
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Re: 308 or 284

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I have been going through this site looking for info on caliber selection for my purpose. I am leaning towards a Savage rifle in a 300wsm caliber. The extra punch over the 308 or 284 is never a bad thing. I always seem to come back to the 300wsm, I guess that means something.

Well... I guess I will throw my .02 in. What is your avg. shot distance? With this info and the fact that 650 seems to be your longest thresh hold, then I assume that you are shooting shorter distances on average. I would choose the .284 for 2 reasons. 1.Cool factor. Very under rated and capable round. 2.If you look on 6mmbr.com, you will find an article about a guy who shot a 1000yrd record in the light gun class. Something has to be said for its accuracy. I have looked into this round quite extensively. It will be good to about 800yrds with a 168 to 180 grain 7mm bullet. Between the 168 Berger and the 162 A-max, these would do the job you are looking for. You will also be loading about 15 to 20 grains less in powder allowing 1lbs. of powder to go much further than with a WSM. I have almost convinced myself to go the following route:

6BR for short and long range varmint, 284/7mm for 0-800 deer and 338 of some type for 500 to 1500yards for deer/elk. Right now I own a 300WSM and love it, but to do it all over again, 7mm/.284 would have been a better route IMO. I too have a Savage and love it. I would more than likely buy the barrels of choosing and use the action I currently own for a switch barrel set up. I also have a short barrel 308 that shoots very well, but eventually will find its way to the back of the gun cabinet. Hope this helps. Just a little FYI, the 308 with good shot placement using a 180 to 190 grain bullet with careful loading will do the trick to 650yrds. With a 1:10 twist, 26" minimum barrel length using RL17, should make for an elk to have a really bad day!

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Re: 308 or 284

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Well... I guess I will throw my .02 in. What is your avg. shot distance? With this info and the fact that 650 seems to be your longest thresh hold, then I assume that you are shooting shorter distances on average. I would choose the .284 for 2 reasons. 1.Cool factor. Very under rated and capable round. 2.If you look on 6mmbr.com, you will find an article about a guy who shot a 1000yrd record in the light gun class. Something has to be said for its accuracy. I have looked into this round quite extensively. It will be good to about 800yrds with a 168 to 180 grain 7mm bullet. Between the 168 Berger and the 162 A-max, these would do the job you are looking for. You will also be loading about 15 to 20 grains less in powder allowing 1lbs. of powder to go much further than with a WSM. I have almost convinced myself to go the following route:

6BR for short and long range varmint, 284/7mm for 0-800 deer and 338 of some type for 500 to 1500yards for deer/elk. Right now I own a 300WSM and love it, but to do it all over again, 7mm/.284 would have been a better route IMO. I too have a Savage and love it. I would more than likely buy the barrels of choosing and use the action I currently own for a switch barrel set up. I also have a short barrel 308 that shoots very well, but eventually will find its way to the back of the gun cabinet. Hope this helps. Just a little FYI, the 308 with good shot placement using a 180 to 190 grain bullet with careful loading will do the trick to 650yrds. With a 1:10 twist, 26" minimum barrel length using RL17, should make for an elk to have a really bad day!

Tank
I don't mean to butt in but there is two articles on the 284 @ 6mmbr.com. the 284 that set a record has a 31" long barrel velocity 2900fps with 180gr VLD the other has a 25" barrel @ 2990fps with 160gr bullets.

Since I'm a hunter first I like to keep my elk/deer rifle no heavier than maybe 9.25lbs makes for a nice packing rifle. I've been playing a 280AI and 284 both have #3 contour Lilja barrels 27" long and are build on long actions. I'm just in the working up loads for both rifles and haven't shot past 300yds yet and I must say the 280AI is a nice round not sure which one I'll use on elk this year. I also shoot a 300WSM has a Broghton 5c barrel 1/12 twist mainly set up for the 165/168gr bullets only problem I see with the WSM is magazine length with some of the VLD type bullets. I think you can build a good hunting rifle that will work as a target rifle you may have to make some compromise on bullets and throating depending on what action etc.

If I was building something on a Savage action I'd have my hunting barrel then a target barrel somethin like a 6br for the VLD won't have to worry about recoil be less cost to shooting. Just my .02
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