Holy ****. First the site gets a over haul and the most experenced experts leave because they shoot too far and now we can't say anything unless we are wanting to buy the product. I hope that if I ever show interest in something for sale that is a ripoff that someone speeks up. (even though Len says we cant) Now lets say I have a $500 .270 win. with a $50 4 power scope that shoots a 1" 3 shot group at 1000 yards offhand. No one better call Bull **** unless you come to my range and see for yourself. Shake your head Len. What you are saying is if I can ripoff someone this is the site to do it on.
I agree with rules regarding forum etiquette.
Guys arguing and getting personal about issues. There is no place for that here.
Educated gentlemen and ladies discuss issues in a civil manner and if they disagree they not stoop to personal insults.
I felt that that was happening in the past and you correctly implemented rules to avoid this going forward.
I also recall another instance when someone wanted to promote their scope business and someone else joined in and said "no, buy it here" I applauded your clearing that up.
But I feel that if someone is selling something (and a lot of good value items do go fast!) and there is a percieved bad value like in this case, I feel that members illustrating this point is perfectly justified. How would you feel if some newbie (and a lot of them depend on other in this site) purchased an item from another member and was overpaid a significant amount...say double what an item is worth? That would reflect poorly in this site.
If someone went to an outfitter, and that outfitter did a poor job, certainly they could speak on this forum and tell others to beware. Why not then something being offer for sale ON the forum?
To sum it up...
There was no personal attack on nighthawk or his charater. Simply the value of what he is offering for sale. I strongly urge you to think about what i'm saying.
I am not questioning the good intentions of Dantec or the facts of the gun's price, just suggesting that it is as innapropriate as butting into a conversation between a car salesman and his prospective customer unless the customer is asking for advice.
Otherwise, I imagine some member could find some sort of "helpful" advice to make on just about every item offered on the "Buy, Sell" forum.
There is a better scope available, don't get a green stock, those are the old bullet style, that is the wrong twist barrel, why would you buy a Swarovski binocular when "X" is just as good, there is a better price on Midway right now,
Holy crap, I used to think this site had members I could trust. I guess I learn more every day. You can say what you want, but I swear there is no way that I would be selling something for twice as much as I paid for it. Chris, I never thought that I got screwed in anything and never said anything to that extent. How do you figure that I'm trying to screw someone? How do you figure that I'm asking twist of what the thing cost??? The Long One, you mention something about pretecting newbies on the board from paying for stuff? As numbers dictate you are a newbie as well. I don't know who you are, but you seem to immediately go after something you don't know about. Why? Let people make up their own minds on what they want to buy, thats their business. Not yours. I seel things based on what they cost me not what they are worth. You can always find something cheaper, but what lengths are you going to go to to get it?? Like ss7mm said, if I offended anyone I'm sorry, but I feel the need to defend myself when people question something they no nothing about what I did to get it. ss, by the way. I appreciate your opinion.
a whisper from this little friend of mine goes a lot way.
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This is more like an unknown-to-you outfitter offering his hunt and his post gets hijacked and his prices criticized. That is very different from starting a new post to alert members about a bad hunting experience someone had with the outfitter.
John, aside from the purpose of idea exchange, the most important thing to me in hosting this site is to be able to come on and read the posts without it affecting the buttering of my toast in the morning. Buttering Len's Toast
This means no unnecessary conflict in the posts. Allowing threads like the earlier part of this one are sure to guarantee conflict.
We may all have to compromise just a little in order for me to achieve that personal goal. It doesn't seem much for me to ask in return for what I provide to nearly 3,000 members and who knows how many lurking non-members.
Thanks for your understanding. Interesting timing...I am just now going off to have breakfast.
whether the rifle cost you x or y, I don't know or care. The point is, when you undertake to build a custom rifle, it is essentially a one-off, and you are most definitely going to sink a lot more into it than you will ever get out of it. Case in point: my 6.5-08 bolt action match rifle. True Rem 700 SA, clipslotted, custom bolt handle, tuned and polished for Rapid Fire strings, PacNor SuperMatch 30" 1-8 twist medium Palma profile, MasterClass HighPower XTC stock, McGee cheekpiece, Tubb 4-way buttplate, RPA sights, Gehman aperatures, etc. About $2800 invested, going street price (with sights) $1500 give or take a bit. Doesn't matter how much I put into it, that's how much someone is going to pay for a used bolt action match rifle, as thats the normal rate. Something done by a big-name smith or a gun w/ a 'proven' track record might fetch more, but those are the exceptions to the rule.
It's kinda like building up hot rod street cars. You never ever ever get back all the money you put into it. Not even close. To expect otherwise is just dreaming. It may come true if you find someone who was looking for just what you built and considers the time saved not having to run things down themselves makes it a bargain, but most people won't touch it. Sad fact of life.