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Old 09-21-2004, 08:11 PM
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What reloading manuals are most accurate to y\'all?

I am starting a custom reloading business for accuracy-minded hunters and was just wondering what the general feeling was of the reloading manuals of today and yesteryear. Also, how often have people found their accuracy load or max load to have matched what the manual says? I have thus far found Noslers #5 to be right on with .300 Win mags but way off with 7mm Rem mags. Sierra seems to have the max loads down but their velocities seem pretty slow. I am interested in information on ALL calibers.
Also, has anyone seen this new Norma manual yet? It was supposed to be out this summer.
Thanks everyone!

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Old 09-21-2004, 08:46 PM
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Re: What reloading manuals are most accurate to y\'all?

I think you have to look at everything you can, with a new gun. Published loads are just a starting point but they give you a rough idea of what to expect. Hodgdons is helpful with other mfg. powders. Also, can't do without Hornady's, Sierra and Speer.

Old Speer catalogs contain a lot of unusually hot loads. When they say max; believe it. That was before the lawyers started editing the manuals. Never throw out an old book, it may be the last one to give data for some currently unpopular chamberings.

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Old 09-22-2004, 08:48 AM
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Re: What reloading manuals are most accurate to y\'all?

I agree you should have a good assortmant of reloading manuals...always good to cross referance...Sierra seems to be low on their Max loads but always work slow up to the max. Max load will definatly vary from rifle to Rifle ...and usually alot from a cutom tube and a factory.
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Old 09-22-2004, 12:22 PM
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Re: What reloading manuals are most accurate to y\'all?

All manuals are 'correct' under the conditions and components tested. Which only gives us a ballpark place to start with our personal rifles.

The variable that stays pretty constant is muzzle vel for a given weight of bullet, case, and barrel length. variations of 5% are certainly within the norm.

When working up a load, keep an eye on vel. If a bullet combination produces vel way above the norm, something is wrong. There is no free lunch and unless you have an in with the super powders, you will not beat the SAAMI standards.

If you are going to make ammo for others, I would assume that you have a wide background in reloading and have access to the necessary monitoring equipment. You open a huge liability issue if simply using data from a reloading manual then shipping to someone to use in their rifle.

Are you going to work on the specific rifle or just make low runout ammo built to SAAMI specs?

Making ammo for general consumption is really a hit and miss proposition (I am sure you know that already). Would be no better then factory - with all the risks to you.

With liability insurance rates going through the roof (if coverage is even offered), I would be surprised if this type of business would be profitable.

Anyways, good luck with your venture and be safe.

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Old 09-22-2004, 12:34 PM
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Re: What reloading manuals are most accurate to y\'all?

They are all accurate to the rifle and barrel they used for the test..But the most reliable data is from those companies which use SAAMI or CIP standard pressure ballistic test barrels...Those barrels are made to spec, and if they swap, the same spec barrel will be used in it's place...

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Re: What reloading manuals are most accurate to y\'all?

JerryTeo and JR,
Thanks for actually READING the post before you responded. My question was not "how do you reload", or "which manual should I follow", but which manuals have YOU found (in your own guns) to be closest to your OWN findings. In other words, I noticed that the Sierra manual has matched MY findings as far as top loads are concerned but the velocities I achieved with that specific load went faster in several different calibers I tested. I think sometimes other people get in a hurry to answer just one part of a question to prove their "extensive knowledge" and forget the other parts of the question or miss the jist of the questions entirely. Jerry, you really caught the jist of my post, and I appreciate it. You could tell (because you read) that I was not just the average reloader. Obviously I have been doing this for many years and I do use almost all the manuals at my disposal to get an average. I thought that went without saying. Obviously, If one is going to tackle the job of getting small groups out of factory guns for others, he must know a little about reloading. The answer to your question is best answered by telling you what I plan to do. I take anyone's gun for several weeks, and develop a load that the gun likes best. I will not stop until I find a load that shoots at least half MOA. I might have to try 10 different powders, 5 different bullets, 4 primers, 20 seating depths, different brass, trigger jobs, and possibly even blueprinting if necesarry. All loads are chronoed using an Oehler 35 and all the brass is match prepped with all the wonderful tools from Sinclair, and then checked for runout. Also, the guns are pillar bedded and checked for accurate scope clicks on a grid. All the ammo will be sized by Redding bushing dies and competition seaters. With all this done, usually it will shoot to expectations. And you are right, it might not be profitable on some guns, but hopefully it will even out in the end. It almost becomes a challenge to me at times and I forget about the money. After I find "the" load, I take that person out to the range and teach them what those "funny things" under the scope caps do. I laser range my gong settup at all the different ranges from 100 to 1000, then pull out my lap top and show them their drop chart in minutes for their load. Then we click in the minutes and fire. So far, everyone has done what they thought was impossible 5 minutes earlier. It works out pretty well for us.
May I pose another question. How often does the load that the manual says is most accurate in their rifle actually the accuracy load for your gun? In my experience, it has happened only ONCE! Certainly shows the differences in individual barrels doesn't it?
Thanks again.
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Re: What reloading manuals are most accurate to y\'all?

Goodgrouper,

You need to write questions that give a hint at your intellect, so that the replies that you receive are easier to understand. To INSULT someone that takes the time to give you a response; any answer, at all, is rude, dude.

If you are such an advanced handloader, I wonder why you don't already know all the answers? Using data from any manual is only as good as you apply it to each situation. Accuracy handloading for someone else has a boatload of problems, as has already been pointed out. Beyond that, IF you know anything, at all, you know that a published, "accurate load" or "highest velocity load" is not worth much more than a curiosity. An accurate load in a test gun is just that: test gun accurate loadif that helps, a little?

Free advice; reconsider your attitude, or your on-line experience will be less than satisfactory. It never hurts to be kind to ALL people that respond.

Personally, I would have written something a little more grateful. "Thanks for all the responses, especially JR and JT". Imagine how I felt, having ACTUALLY READ the question, and seeing your response suggest that those other, unnamed respondents had not taken the time to read your question. I answered a question I failed to read? Didn't understand what you were saying? Exactly what are you trying to tell me? If I interpret, "you are stupid" would I be far off?

You are welcome, in any case.

Good hunting. LB
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