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Old 05-03-2013, 01:41 PM
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Re: Spend more on the rifle or the glass?

Scope all day long it should cost twice what the rifle does when your first starting out
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Old 05-03-2013, 02:25 PM
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Re: Spend more on the rifle or the glass?

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Agree 10 X.

However, if the COST of failure to identify the # of legal points on a CO ELK in the first and last 15 min of shooting time is a loss of $3,000 or more you might want to learn from my mistake (all my hunts are DIY). I traded the final ELK hunt of my life, some day soon($$$ wise), for a ZEISS-VICTORY-DIAVARI-4-16X50-T-FL. In 2010 it and the Swk. Z6 cost $2,200. I tested them both at dark against my $710 2008 version_ VX III LR 4.5-14x50 BC. The Bull I had to let walk at 100yd, with 3-5 min left in shooting hours, would have rode home with me that night had I purchased either originally.

My stuff: DEC. 2008
New TIKKA T3 SS lite 338WM =$575
New 2008 VX III LR 4.5-14x50 BC=$710


My stuff: DEC. 2010:
New ZEISS-VICTORY-DIAVARI-4-16X50-T-FL. / Rapid Z 800=$2,200
(Traded piggy bank $$ for that last ELK hunt to prevent ID failure again.)

If the above could not happen in your life in the future....by all means get an $800< $1,000 Zeiss Conquest or comp. that you like.
There are some fair scopes in the $200 < $400 range also. If you want to kill stuff at 1,000yds I would go 300WM or up.
Good luck.
Just my opinion, but if you couldn't make out an elk rack at 100yds. with a 14 power scope, then I would suggest a new watch, as it was to dark to shoot anyway.
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Old 05-03-2013, 04:01 PM
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Re: Spend more on the rifle or the glass?

My long range rigs wear Leupolds, but if i need a scope that is worth more than they cost, it is the Nikons, i have been very impressed.

After getting my best friend's .338 WM ready for elk season, we started using MOA dialing up for out to 600 with his Nikon 3-9 Buckmaster, and it tracked perfectly for us everytime and held up to many hundreds of elk loads until we upgraded (to another Nikon). That scope now sits on my coyote rig. I would expect those results with my $700 Leupold, but to have it in a $190 scope was amazing to me. I think the Nikons punch out of their weight class for quality.
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Old 05-04-2013, 12:08 AM
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Re: Spend more on the rifle or the glass?

Bling, Maybe I'm bias but Nightforce is the way to go next in line would be Leoupold for me then Vortex.
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Old 05-04-2013, 01:57 AM
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Re: Spend more on the rifle or the glass?

I've owned inexpensive rifles that shot great (not all), but I've never had inexpensive scopes meet even lowered expectations.
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Old 05-04-2013, 04:11 AM
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Re: Spend more on the rifle or the glass?

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Bling, Maybe I'm bias but Nightforce is the way to go next in line would be Leoupold for me then Vortex.
I'm sure Nightforce are great scopes but their cheapest one is still $1,300 on optics planet.com. I don't have any experience with scopes so until I can try some out at the range I'm just going off of what I read online.
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Old 05-04-2013, 06:13 AM
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Re: Spend more on the rifle or the glass?

I agree with the notion that the scope will generally cost more than the rifle for precision long range shooting. With the exception of one of my customs which was a gift, my other five LR rigs have scopes that range from 1-2 times the cost of the rifle and added accessories. What gives me pause is that this can be carried to the extreme. If you start with a cheap rifle you may be lucky and have a great shooter, but there is a likelyhood that even though the process can be stretched over time, this can be a false economy, and a great waste of time with high frustration. I would opt for a balanced approach myself. The OP's initial instinct to get the Rem Milspec 5R was a good one. I have owned three since their initial availability. I have put several thousands of round through these rifles that are used for tactical, hunting,etc. The most recent was a few months ago. All were nicely finished, produced superb accuracy out of the box, and exhibit the characteristics of a custom barrel/action, and a very good stock. For $1100 they are a bargain. It would be a tough decision, that would make me lean in the direction of trying to get some additional bucks together to find a good scope. I would feel that I was ahead of the game in the end. iMO.
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