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Old 12-10-2002, 05:41 PM
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Re: Remington\'s Quality Issues......Please inform me.

My sendero is at Remington right now. Originally I thought it was just the extractor that broke. Well to make a long story short the whole end of the bolt broke off. I wasn't even shooting a max load and the case had no sign of pressure.
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Re: Remington\'s Quality Issues......Please inform me.

I have had several new remingtons in the last few years, they are still very accurate and is why I use them. The quality issues I have observed is 1, the trigger. You will want a trigger job. Other than that, just sloppy machine work.
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Old 01-06-2003, 07:57 AM
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Re: Remington\'s Quality Issues......Please inform me.

Mind"crime"...

What "Stren" has done to Remington IS a crime.

I used to be a Remington wholesaler, and retail dealer... and always loved them. And I have a rack of Remington varmint rifles.

In 1980, I bought a 308 VS and it was BEAUTIFUL... a very high gloss polish and bluing on the receiver and barrel (with no buffing ripples)... the bolt and action were smooth and slick. The bolt fit the action with no play. I was fool enough to sell it in a minute of "I gotta have something else".
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I have bought 5 Remington rifles since '92, and 4 are gone and good riddance. 3 were PSS's and were dogs, the forth was a VS, and it was poor.

The 5th, my most recent M700 addition, is a .221 Fireball "Classic" that I bought three months ago. I have always loved the cartridge and wanted a light weight "Walkin' Varmint rifle", cuz all the others are 15+ pounds.


Here's what I got... the checkering on the right side of the pistol grip doesn't fill out the pattern. On the left side, the checkering is just light lines scratched on the finish, and the tops of the "diamonds" are flat and glossy. While this is a pain in the ass, I can fix them with a checkering tool... but -

The bluing on the receiver is two different colors.

There are tool marks on the outside of the receiver that were there before polishing and bluing... they should have been polished out, but the polishing job is so poor, that there are places where the finishing belt never touched the receiver, and the first rough polishing marks are in plain sight.

The barrel has FOUR loose places... after a good cleaning, when you push a tight patch through the barrel, you can feel the resistance change FOUR times in 24"

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I glass bedded the action and floated the barrel.

When I shot it, the barrel was poor, and shot oblong groups, stringing from 10 o'clock to 4 o'clock, regardless of the load. Groups ran from 2" to 3".

Now, before you say "Maybe he can't shoot", let me assure you that I have 45+ years of shooting, including a few years of benchrest.

Unfortunatly, the concept "Send it back to Remington" is a waste of time and postage... Remington will do nothing. I have tried this in the past (as have others) and Remington will do nothing.

Remingtons standard is 2" at 100... plus if you adjust the trigger, your warrentee is void, unless you let them sell you a new trigger!

On the site I spend most of my time on, there have been about 100 people complaining on new Rem 700's over the last 4 years, and NOBODY has said that they got a new Rem and it was beautiful. The best you can expect is that it will be "OK", and it goes down hill from there. They will fix almost nothing, they will not replace bad barrels, and will not fix it if you have adjusted the trigger, unless you aggree to buy a new trigger... about $135-$175 installed. Damn... you can get a Jewel for that, or a Timney and $100 change back.

On the otherhand... on the same website, there was only ONE complaint about a Winchester (Stealth), the fellow sent it back to Winchester, and Win appologized profusely and said he could have a brand new (hand inspected) rifle, OR... all his money back, including his shipping expences.

Remington is having very bad times... most of the repair people at Illion NY have been fired, and now when you send a gun to Remington for repairs, they send it out to small gun shops around the country to have it repaired, and when you get it back, the return address on the box will say "Joe's guns and Outboard Motor repair" or some other jerkwater shop in the swamps.

That's the way it is... the .221 fireball is off to Darrel Holland for a new barrel.

For a inexpensive "walking" rifle, it will be around $600 to fix it and make it right, so now I will have a $1,200 "walking Varmint Rifle"... Puke!!

Had I known what I was in for, I would have bought a used 10+ year old M700 and built the .221 myself... it would have been cheaper, and better.

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Re: Remington\'s Quality Issues......Please inform me.

Catshooter

I have another horror story concerning Remington and I will be posting the match dates for Williamsport 1000 yd matches after the 19th of this month. We have our winter Board meeting then. Maybe you would be interested in coming over?

Concerning Remington
Had a friend call me and say he had a Remington 721/300 H&H that when he fired it, the case had a ring all the way around it like a seperation. he said he had sent it to Remington and they said it had been rechambered by someone and there was a tooling mark in the chamber and they would not do anything to it.

I asked him, have you fired the rifle much in the last 10 or 15 years? He said NO, it was in his gun cabinent for years without shooting it.
I asked if it did that to the case BEFORE he stored it? He said no.
I asked if the rifle was stored with the butt stock down and the barrel up and did he run a patch of oil through the barrel about every year without cleaning the chamber to?
he said yes to both.
I had him bring the rifle to me and with a lot of soaking of the chamber and the use of a chamber brush, I was able to get the "Hardened" build up of oil ring out of the chamber. The rifle is fine and I now own it.

Fact remains, Remington did not even look at this closely. To add to that, NEVER store a rifle for long periods of time with the stock down.
Store them with the muzzle down and a piece of cloth under it to carch the oil that drains from the barrel.

Tip of the day (for those who didn't know) from someone (my friend) who had the problem and now stores all his rifles with the muzzle down.

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Old 01-07-2003, 12:04 AM
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Darrel...

I have another horror story concerning Remington and I will be posting the match dates for Williamsport 1000 yd matches after the 19th of this month. We have our winter Board meeting then. Maybe you would be interested in coming over?

I'd love to... I built a 300WM - M24 Sniper match rifle that I haven't had a chance to shoot at 1000 yet. It'll shoot in the 16 pound class. Youz guys can beat me to a pulp [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

I got so wired from this thread, that I just got off the horn with Illion, and they said they have no problems, and mine was the "first" complaint about the .221 Classics they have had...

I spent the next 45 minutes telling them the horrors about my presentation grade .410 sheet gun... load 4 rounds, and pull the bolt back, and all the rounds dump... they kept sending it to "outsource" repair shops who had never seen an 1100 rem, and had never seen a .410. It took 3 trips to these jerks over four months, until Rem would give it to the "in house" (aka experenced) repair guys that fixed it an had it out in two days.
The problems with the new $1500 40-XB barreled action (that I built the M24 with) that the chamber and throat had so many tool marks in it from a damaged reamer, that I needed a rubber hammer to open the action after the first shot (a light load - 64/H4350/190SMK), and it needed to have the barrel replaced. They did the same thing to me as your friend... for 6 weeks, repeatedly said that "I" ruined the chamber until I told them to look INTO the chamber with a scope... then they admitted that it was their fault, and replaced the barrel for free.
BUT... how the hell do you send out a gun that has to have the action opened with a rubber mallet?????????

... and a slew of other complaints. She said "I'll try to have someone get in touch with you."
I kinda felt bad for her, I mean she didn't need to have me on the phone on Monday morning [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] And I did tell her not to take it personal.

I also comfirmed that they have switched from H-S Precision stock, to the Bell & Carlson stock on the VS family... they save about $125 per gun... the buyer saves NOTHING [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]

I'll see you at WmsPort this year fur sure fur sure [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img].

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Old 01-07-2003, 10:03 PM
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Re: Remington\'s Quality Issues......Please inform me.

I must be lucky,I purchased a VLS in .308
all I did was float the barrel and lightin
up the trigger. And shoot.50 to.75 MOA 100
the only thing I dont like is I cant find a stock like that for my 03A3 SPRINGFIELD.
I can hit a 10x10 3/4 steel target at 400 yds
all day long.
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Old 01-09-2003, 12:11 AM
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Re: Remington\'s Quality Issues......Please inform me.

Catshooter, Darrel Holland was a good choice.....he built my 6mm Ackley. As for the REMS, I think your right, I'll stop looking at new ones, and build it right the first time. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
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