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Rangefinder Field Test: Swarovski 8x30 Laser Guide Vs. Leica CRF 1600 Rangemaster

 
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Old 06-09-2011, 12:00 PM
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Re: Rangefinder Field Test: Swarovski 8x30 Laser Guide Vs. Leica CRF 1600 Rangemaste

Jeff,
If you could confirm that you're able to consistently range spruce trees, mountain hemlock, or other evergreen trees out to 1450 yards steadying the unit like I described, then that would be enough for me to know that my CRF 1600 isn't the creme of the crop. I got multiple readings on spruce trees with the Swaro out to 1600 to 1640 yards. The farthest reading I was able to get with the CRF 1600 was the 1531 yards - that one time.

I've found that green vegetated hillsides and evergreen trees can be ranged at greater distances than snow patches, exposed bedrock, talus rock slides, brush covered ground, or alders. So I generally range evergreen trees when testing units to provide targets that are as consistent and comparable as possible when I'm out in the mountains. Up here, that means spruce trees or mountain hemlock trees. If I'm above treeline, then I range green vegetated hillsides.

So some hand held test results on whatever kind of evergreen trees you have available in your locale would be helpful and appreciated. Thanks,


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Old 06-09-2011, 06:54 PM
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Re: Rangefinder Field Test: Swarovski 8x30 Laser Guide Vs. Leica CRF 1600 Rangemaste

I will do this and record the results and conditions. It is raining now but I should have it done in a few days.

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Re: Rangefinder Field Test: Swarovski 8x30 Laser Guide Vs. Leica CRF 1600 Rangemaste

There are very few evergreens close to where I live, but the cottonwoods are getting their leaves now.

I've found that my Leica 1600 will repeat range with much better consistancy if I have a steady rest. Offhand, mine will not go to the full distance on natural objects, especially in bright sunlight. Steady hold, I've gotten up to 1800 yd readings on clay cutbanks.

Don't know if that helps any or not, but next time I get a chance; I'll try some cottonwoods freehand and see how far I can get.

In bright sunlight, on small natural targets, I also felt that the 1600 gave me just a couple hundred more yards than the older 1200 did. But since I was only after another 200 yds or so, I feel it will do what I need for now. Deer at 1000 yds is further than I intend on shooting them at this time.
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Re: Rangefinder Field Test: Swarovski 8x30 Laser Guide Vs. Leica CRF 1600 Rangemaste

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If it would be of any help to you I would be glad to go get the 1600 I used and do some more testing for you in what ever conditions you like. It lives just 3 miles down the road. There are many things here to test it on including elk so it would not be hard to do.

Let me know.

Jeff
Jeff,

It would help Paul and surely help me (me being selfish and all) It will be only 8 months until I will have use for an LRF (sold my 1200 to a newbie) and am having a sense of urgency. I'll be stepping up to the PLRF-10 but want to do it in steps (being cheap and all) Will use the PLRF to stretch the 375 a bit.
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Re: Rangefinder Field Test: Swarovski 8x30 Laser Guide Vs. Leica CRF 1600 Rangemaste

Paul, I have been playing with the Leica 1600 a little this weekend to get to know it better. Then I went out this afternoon and tried to get the test done the way you asked me to. Here is my summery.

The farthest I got it to range was 1761 on a ever green tree in evening light. It did it 3 out of 5 times and this was off hand with an elbo rest.

Today I went out in mid afternoon sun to do the test. I only ranged ceder bushes and small fur and pine trees (green). I also only tried 5 ranges per object. Here are the results.

Conditions:

Temp= 66*
Baro 25.23
Alt. = 4300
Hum. 60%
Full mid afternoon sun

1047 yds. 5 out of 5 +/- 3 yrds.

1367 yds. 5 out of 5 +/- 1 yrds.

1380 yds. 2 out of 5 +/- 2 yrds.

Distances of greater than 1380 were hit or miss. Some 1400+ out to maybe 1500 came in but reapeatability was very weak.



Then I went to where I knew some elk would be feeding in a flat grain field in full sun.

I could range elk on the flat to 947 yds 4 out of 5 times. There was nothing in range above or behind these elk. I was ranging elk. Elk at 6 , 7 , 800 yards were easy, unless I moved and missed.

One thing I did notice in all the times I was using this RF. If I was way out there to where it would have misses. The misses were almost all the time after the 2nd or 3rd range. If I kept firing fast it seemed to want a rest. ( maybe battery not 100% or something needs to recharge in the unit?)

I didnt take sand bags along as I would have been tempted to use them and I knew you wanted off hand readings. My opinion is with the smaller beam divergence of the Leica's a more steady rest would get you out there farther.

There is no arguing the bigger beam of the Swaro will return more ranges and farther distances. But like I have stated many times before in certain terrain this will be a bad deal sooner or later as a 7' beam past 1000 can reflect off of something you simply dont realize you are ranging.

Hope this helps you decide if yours needs to go back.

Jeff
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Re: Rangefinder Field Test: Swarovski 8x30 Laser Guide Vs. Leica CRF 1600 Rangemaste

Thanks so much Jeff.

Mine is going back. The farthest mine ranged 1531 yds, even with cloud cover in the evening. That was about it.

About the farthest reading I ever got in full sunshine was 1250 yds. The battery in mine was brand new.

If mine would range like the one you tested, I'd be happy with it.


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Re: Rangefinder Field Test: Swarovski 8x30 Laser Guide Vs. Leica CRF 1600 Rangemaste

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Thanks so much Jeff.

Mine is going back. The farthest mine ranged 1531 yds, even with cloud cover in the evening. That was about it.

About the farthest reading I ever got in full sunshine was 1250 yds. The battery in mine was brand new.

If mine would range like the one you tested, I'd be happy with it.


Your buddy wanna sell his?
In all honesty I was not by any means blown away by its performance. I guess I have been spoiled by the PLRF10. When you guys said the 1600 was about 200 yards better than the CRF1200 I was not convinced. But I took my 1200 along and on the elk this was about right. I have seen 1475 for a max range from my 200 in perfect evening light. The 1200 would go to the 900's on the elk but had to work at it and I feel my 1200 is a good one. The bottom line is I think all are not created equal. Also after owning 5 Swaro's I feel you have very very good one. None of mine would do what yours did in your test above.

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