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Old 09-19-2005, 09:43 AM
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Re: Leupold warranty puts others to shame!

I guess I must re-itterate the point:
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Aside from arguing scopes, the main point of the post was to show how good their warranty is and how awesome their customer service is. And they are just as I said, "hard to beat".

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Old 09-19-2005, 08:41 PM
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Re: Leupold warranty puts others to shame!

Ho goodgrouper i think if you are in the US they are verry good but step off your shoors and it is a different story altogethor.

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Old 09-19-2005, 10:11 PM
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The customer service at Leupold is nothing that i wouldn't expect from a customer orientated US company, now that customer is king mentality is something that many American firms do have over some of the European companies, however in my experience, S&B, Leica and Steiner and Hensold(zeiss) have also excellent customer service.
The price of a top of the range leupold scope over here isn't all that much less than a comparable S&B.
i had the choice a few years ago, carry on buying Leupold and risk more scope breakages or fork out for a S&B. i could afford a couple of Leupolds or 1 S&B. so i bought 1 3-12x50PMII and i put badger ord picrails on allmy rifles, used thier 34mm rings, and i swapped the scope between several rifles. today ive a bit more cash in the bank (in the form of a larger over draft) and i've 3 PMII's and a 4th due for delivery soon.
S&B have far more options than are mentioned on thier web site, Derek all the PMII's are available with 1/4 MOA clicks. and there will be more reticles available soon, infact i've a meeting(plus a steak and a few beers) with S&B and Premier Reticles this afternoon. I'm hoping for a MOA reticle in a MOA scope,(although i'm a meters and miliradians man my self) thinner reticles in all the PMII'S ( we've convinced Hans Bender of that already) a 1.5-6x42PMII non illuminated versions of the 5-25x56 and 4-16x42PMII and a few other things..

Groundgrouper, you need to visit the optician mate
any one who knows me knows i never resist the temptation to go leupold bashing, don't take it to heart. no offense mentioned and bravo for them for having a good customer service.
but if i had the choicebetween a leupold with a 30 year garantie or a s&B with no garantie. i'd still take the S&B.
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Old 09-20-2005, 09:53 AM
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Re: Leupold warranty puts others to shame!

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carry on buying Leupold and risk more scope breakages or fork out for a S&B.

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Interesting. I have personally worked with over 50 Leupolds on everything from 223's to 338 ultras and have shot Leupolds atop 20 pound 50 bmg's and have sold well over 500 to my customers and you know how many I have seen break? Two. And of those two, both were repaired in under 10 days and back on the guns.

Your unfortunate experiences with Leupold just don't match up to my experiences with them.

I even know a custom gun builder who specializes in Safari guns of 338 or larger caliber. For awhile, he sold package combos with scopes mounted. He used Swarovski, IOR, Kahles, and Leupold. After having customer complaints with all the scopes except Leupold, he now exclusively uses Leupold. They are the only scope that hold up.

I own 8 myself with the 9th on the way and have NEVER had any problems. If they are inferior in clarity to Euro scopes, I sure can't see it. One thing I did see was a chuck sitting motionless on a rock at 2051 yards with my Leupold, and I saw him well enough to dump him! And that was after I dialed in 35 minutes into the turret that you say breaks. Well, after the shot, I came back down the 35 minutes and it was back at zero. It never missed a click!

Now, maybe a S&B would have let me make that shot as well, but so did the so called "inferior" Leupold.


Don't get me wrong, I own and love many Euro pieces of glass. I use a Swaro 20-60x80 spotter almost daily, and 10x42 SLC Swaro binos weekly, and a Leica 1200 LRF rangefinder daily. Very good glass, however, you could not convince me as of this date to put a Swaro rifle scope on ANY one of my firearms. I have had two of them break on me while I was looking through them doing load development! I have not worked with as many Swaros as Leupolds, but thus far I would say 8 Swaros with 2 breaks compared to 60-70 Leupolds with 2 breaks. You do the math.



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Groundgrouper, you need to visit the optician mate

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Yes, that was what a client told me on an elk hunt last weekend. I was seeing elk's ears and legs moving through thick scrub oak over 700 yards away all day long while he saw nothing. He commented that I needed to have eye surgery to REDUCE my vision so we would all have a fair opportunity to see his bull! Maybe all I would have to do instead is look through my crappy Leupold scope longer! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]


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any one who knows me knows i never resist the temptation to go leupold bashing, don't take it to heart. no offense mentioned

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No offense taken. You look for 300 pound pigs and 500 pound staggs at 400 meters and I look for 2 pound prairie dogs at 1000 yards and 4 pound chucks at 1.2 miles. We play a slightly different game.

You use your S&B and down your Heinekens, and I'll use my Leupy and have another shot of critisism. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Re: Leupold warranty puts others to shame!

I would also stay away from the Swaro scopes (the ones with reticles in them) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] but i have the same spotter as you and love it [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

...can see 17cal holes in white paper at 500yds when the mirage is down [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

SB though is in another league than leupold glass wise, and robustness. Unfortunately is also priced that way.

Pete -- over here, a comparable S&B cost 2X a top end leup [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Every leupold i have had-- only about 6 have had to have their turrets "broken in"

that is dialed stop-to-stop several times

This seemed to fix a 6-18, and and 8.5-25 (before it went to 20-50x) that wasnt returning to zero, so i have done it on every scope since, even my nightforce [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Old 09-21-2005, 01:56 AM
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Well mate you keep on using them Leupolds. funny enough, since my last post ive become a leupold owner.i bought a remington 700 mountain rifle as a donour for an action and its got a little leupold 3-9 on it.. i figure it will do for my boys airgun.
So if Leupold are so great, how come the US Marines and the US Army are going over to S&B?
i don't care what the application, any S&B scope will piss all over any other scope. and the PMII line up is the worlds best scope bar none. I used to be a leupold fan, until the damn things started letting me down. not bieng able to trust such an important piece of equipment is a night mare, the piece of mind knowing that i can trust the scope is worth paying for.
Spotting scopes. yep the Swarovski is a good piece of kit, but i do like the Prem Ret spider web.
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Yes, that was what a client told me on an elk hunt last weekend. I was seeing elk's ears and legs moving through thick scrub oak over 700 yards away all day long while he saw nothing. He commented that I needed to have eye surgery to REDUCE my vision so we would all have a fair opportunity to see his bull! Maybe all I would have to do instead is look through my crappy Leupold scope longer!


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