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Old 05-25-2005, 05:05 PM
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Lazzeroni Lazerhead

Has anyone been using these bullets? I'm using the 150gr .308. Seems to shoot ok. The first load shot 1.15" in my 300RUM sendero at 100. Some further load development will hopefully by less thean half of that. By the way, max load of RL 25 yeilds 3800 fps. The way I understand this is the bullet is an undersized Barnes tsx 150 undersized and then recoated with np3. Kinda hard on barrels. I'll mess with the overall length and post results.
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Old 05-26-2005, 08:33 AM
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Re: Lazzeroni Lazerhead

Esorensen,

First off welcome to LRH!!!

Personally I would highly recommend you save your money and just use the Barnes TSX bullets. I am not a fan of Barnes bullets but from the results my customers are getting out of the rifles I build them using the TSX bullet, it seems Barnes as corrected many of the issues that the standard X bullet has.

They are shooting very well, they do not have the extreme pressure issues that the standard X has, bore fouling is very limited and velocity is on par with conventional bullets using conventional bullet weight load data.

Again, save your money, the TSX will serve you just as well and cost 1/2 the price.

Good Shooting!!

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Old 05-26-2005, 06:07 PM
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Re: Lazzeroni Lazerhead

Thank you for the welcome. I enjoy the company of like minded individuals. One benefit of the NP3 little cleaning of the bore as there is almost no Cu fouling. I'm also told that there is a velocity increase as well as pressure decrease.(At the expense of barrel wear.) My initial goal was to emulate some of the custom 30-378's back in the 90's using the ox-150 from barnes/robar/arizona ammunition. Velocities with these bullets were about 4100 fps.I cant vouch for the accuracy but the killing power at distance is phenmominal. I haven't developed a load accurate enough for my tastes yet, and hunting season isn't here. I'll let you all know how it goes...thanks.
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Old 05-26-2005, 09:32 PM
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Re: Lazzeroni Lazerhead

esorensen,
Please forgive me in advance for getting a little worked up over this topic but I have seen too many of my friends go down this same road, Lazzeroni has filled people's mind's with propaganda BULLSHIT that 150gr bullets out of a 30cal at 4000fps is the way to go ,it is NOT!!!!! let me give you an example ( my friend's father is retired and does nothing but hunt ,he has a Lazzeroni warbird a 300UM and a 338UM) this gentleman went on a bear hunt 4 years ago in alaska and used his warbird at mach 4 and shot an Alaskan Brownie 3 times and watched it run back into the bush never to be found. He was so upset that he has still never shot this gun again to this day.
He gave me his 300UM and told me to make it shoot and the only bullet he would consider was the 180gr Scirocco (arter learning his lesson with the lazerhead) after 3 times back to Christensen Arms to have them fix what should not have left there shop in the first place I got this to shoot in the 3's and this fellow shot a few deer and an elk at long range with this gun, then he had another bear hunt in Alaska and he wanted me to load him up some more 180gr Scirocco's, I argued with him why dont you let me load you up some 200gr Accubonds or better yet some 225 Accubonds for your 338UM but NO his mind was set. Guess what he had the same result 4shots in a brownie and it wandered off. Last year he listened to me 338UM 225gr Accubond one shot one Alaskan Brown bear.
IMHO if you use a 150gr bullet in the size of a Lazzeroni or Ultramag it is a varmint gun not a big game gun use a 180gr 200gr or bigger, if you are dead set on 150's use a 308win.
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Old 05-27-2005, 07:36 AM
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Re: Lazzeroni Lazerhead

I would have to agree with Brian B on this one, but a bit less passionately [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]!!!

It all depends on what you call long range shooting. If your shooting out to 500 yards, go for it, yes the lighter bullets will be flatter shooting but if your talking about 600 and out where most of the guys on this post play, there is no way the light fast bullets will compare in all areas with a good high bc heavy bullet.

I personally feel the RUM case capacity is at its best with 200 gr bullets. This will result in velocity of around 3200 fps which is by no means sexy!!!

But liken it to cars. Your high velocity 150 gr load is like a little Carmero with a 600 hp big block in it. Tons of instant performance but is one squirrely critter to drive.

Take a much heavier Chevelle and drop a 500 hp big block in it and it is smooth as butter to drive and handle.

The point being, ultra high velocity loads look real good on paper out to even 500 yards. Trajectory is lazer flat and they seem to zap the life right out of game animals.

The heavy bullets are not near as flashy but they produce much more consistant loads which generally greatly improves performance at long to extreme range.

I would not fall to hard into the sales pitches for the high tech bullet coatings. Unless your shooting a Lazz rifle with their very slow twist you will not reach the velocities they say you should.

The Lazzeroni craze has really dies off over the last few years. Mainly because the factory WSM, RUM and big WBY offer at least as much if not more in a much more cost effective package.

Just my opinion,

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Old 05-31-2005, 02:33 PM
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Re: Lazzeroni Lazerhead

B I didn't mean to get you worked up about the bullet issue. The Lazerhead is a Barnes TSX. I have never shot anything with a Barnes bullet, however I hear that they function quite well despite their homogeneous idiosyncracies. I have a friend of mine that used the old 30-378 with the ox-150 (lazerhead forerunner) that killed 2 cow elk at about 400 yards with results he had never seen in 30+ years of hunting and 40+ elk kills. These cows were both hit broadside lung shots and both never took a second step. I could go into more detail later if you want. My whole point of this exercise was to possibly create an economy version of the 30-378 and ox-150 combo. I'm quite confident that when this load is tuned, anything from coyotes to cow elk are done with point and shoot out to about 400 with little to no hold. That was the objective. I have shot the 180 swift scirrocco and liked them except for the Cu fouling. I have some 180 accubonds and will be loading them soon as well. I don't want to start any wars, but I am quite tempted to try some 165 LRB or wildcats. I have heard quite a bit of controversy surrounding the LRB bullets, they just appear to require a bit more tuning. I do appreciate everyones input. thanks
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Old 05-31-2005, 07:11 PM
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Re: Lazzeroni Lazerhead

esorensen,
did not mean to offend but you did not get my point, yes 150's and 165's out of a 300RUM will make spectacular kills but they can also make spectacular disappointments, the point that I was trying to make is that using 180-200grainer's in a case the size of a 300RUM will yeild more dead animals (not wounded).
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