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Old 02-20-2013, 12:52 AM
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Gun Safe search

I am looking to buy a gun safe in the next couple of weeks and would like to get some advise on what Make/Models that you have bought. I will bullet point what is important to me and welcome any feedback I can get. I am going for the best bang for the buck and can not afford the top named safe manufacturers.
[*]Spend up to $3200
[*]High fire rating (1200 degrees for close to an hour)
[*]Need storage for 40 plus long guns with scopes (most safes seam to hold at least 20% less than what is stated)
[*]Made in USA
[*]Like the weight to be over 1000 LBS

I have the Rhino 7142 XP that are made in Idaho as my first choice and the Browning SR 42 Silver Series as my second choice.- what else is there?
Thanks.
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:20 AM
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Re: Gun Safe search

I would highly recommend the Amsec BF series:
http://www.amsecusa.com/Gun_Safes/BF_Series_Gun_Safes/

I did a lot of investigating before I purchased mine. The walls are filled with DryLight insulation (aka concrete) and it's both heavy and secure. Do some YouTube searching on this line if you want to see some of the other benefits.

For a no frills safe that is still highly rated look at the Sturdy Safe:
Gun Safes : Fire Safe Manufacturer : Sturdy Gun Safe

The Rhino you mentioned was also on my list but I went with the Amsec.

Oh, and as you already know if you have any rifles, a 42 gun safe doesn't really hold 42 guns. Honestly, to hold 40 you'll need at 60 gun sized safe, and next time I'd buy two smaller ones instead.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:41 PM
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Re: Gun Safe search

I have a Rhino and like it. I also agree with the above poster on getting two medium safes (probably not at once!) vs one huge one. I have two and if you have the room it makes things more accessible and easier to organize.
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Old 02-23-2013, 02:15 PM
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Re: Gun Safe search

This is my opinion. Why spend 3 grand on a safe at all. Guns in a safe aren't readily accessable and a gun safe draws a potential thief like a magnet plus a good theif can access just about any gun safe in about 2 minutes.

Worried about fire, why worry. So they melt. I have all my firearms insured for actual replacement value including optics and accessories through the NRA and it costs me about 200 bucks a year. 200 hundred a year equals 12 years to equal the fancy gun safe. I can't see it at all.

I do have a cheap non insulated gun safe that I keep pistols and long guns in but I never lock it. I keep them in there so they aren't laying about, however, I do have various firearms about the house, all loaded and all with a round in the chamber in case someone uninvited drops by, no I don't have children but even if I did (too old for that crap).... I'd teach my children to keep their hands off.

In reality, gun safes shouldn't be called safes at all. The should be called storage units. Nothing 'safe' about any gunsafe.

If you really want to feel secure, give me the 3 grand and I'll spend it for you...securely.

Gun safes are a bunch of fooooey.
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Old 02-23-2013, 02:39 PM
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Re: Gun Safe search

Sidecar,

I always enjoy your posts. Talk about a contrarian position on gun safes. Bunch of fooey? That is awesome.

I think your line of thought has some merit, and I might very well be an idiot, but here is my counter:

The odds of a skilled theif pulling an Oceans-11 style heist on my house are pretty low. Most of the B&Es we hear about (I'm in SE MI also) are meth heads, transients and general losers looking to grab some stuff quick and split. With my alarm screaming they are likely not going to work on my safe, and they sure as hell aint getting it upstairs!

My other big concern with unsecured guns are them being used against me or my family when we come home. Again, good thief pulls a caper he is getting my goodies and getting the hell out. A loser meth-head transient may stack my guns up around himself, make a sandwich, and then space and fall asleep on my couch. When my wife wakes him up coming home I'd end up bummed . . .

As far as fire, I'd have to agree. Rather be insured than insulated. Guns are finicky enough without having them cook in an oven for a few hours at below-melting temp.
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Old 02-23-2013, 03:18 PM
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Re: Gun Safe search

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Sidecar,

I always enjoy your posts. Talk about a contrarian position on gun safes. Bunch of fooey? That is awesome.

I think your line of thought has some merit, and I might very well be an idiot, but here is my counter:

The odds of a skilled theif pulling an Oceans-11 style heist on my house are pretty low. Most of the B&Es we hear about (I'm in SE MI also) are meth heads, transients and general losers looking to grab some stuff quick and split. With my alarm screaming they are likely not going to work on my safe, and they sure as hell aint getting it upstairs!

My other big concern with unsecured guns are them being used against me or my family when we come home. Again, good thief pulls a caper he is getting my goodies and getting the hell out. A loser meth-head transient may stack my guns up around himself, make a sandwich, and then space and fall asleep on my couch. When my wife wakes him up coming home I'd end up bummed . . .

As far as fire, I'd have to agree. Rather be insured than insulated. Guns are finicky enough without having them cook in an oven for a few hours at below-melting temp.
No burglar alarm here, just an NRA sign in the front by the road. Sort of like 'Guard Dog on duty'.....

My wife carries and so do I. We never leave home without our guns so an intruder suprised is guess what... and usually, one of us is home plus there are three not too friendly pups in the hoiuse... all like fresh meat.

I've found over time that women are much better shots than men, especially in drama situations. As much as I don't like Biden, his suggestion that women have a shotgun or two isn't all bad but it should be a male thing. Most home invasions where a male is the shooter, the perp is shot everywhere because the guy is praying and spraying......

SE Michigan, you probably know me then......

I'm real close to our favorite emporium on M50.

I keep a close eye on my anhydrous tanks....... 'Cause you are right, Meth is a big thing here. That and not so medical, medical mary jane.

I bought a cheapie at TSC as a repository for my stuff that I don't need sitting out. The guns I hunt with mostly.

I don't lock it, in part, because I forgot the combination.....lol
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:06 PM
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Re: Gun Safe search

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Originally Posted by SidecarFlip View Post
This is my opinion. Why spend 3 grand on a safe at all. Guns in a safe aren't readily accessable and a gun safe draws a potential thief like a magnet plus a good theif can access just about any gun safe in about 2 minutes.

Gun safes are a bunch of fooooey.
I suggest you investigate the ones I linked above as well as Fort Knox and other similar quality brands before making such a broad statement.

For the $1000-1500 models you see in most stores you are correct. However, you do get what you pay for. Pay attention to wall thickness, materials, and other factors. Most of the ones made with drywall walls (aka "fireboard") are junk.
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