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Old 01-01-2009, 12:11 AM
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Re: The Claw

it would appear that this is a clamp device attached at the balance point of the rifle.
it would also appear that it would function as well as the quality of the tripod its mounted on.
assuming the first shot is all that is needed, all is well. but how about follow up shots? after all that happens in the real world.
what happens with recoil?
what absorbs it?
i would assume the tripod?
that means movement, especially with heavy recoil rifles dosent it?
after all its locked in there, no bags or other devices to slide on, am i correct?

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Old 01-01-2009, 03:17 AM
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Re: The Claw

As of the wee hours of 2009 I am in Blackfoot.

However, as of this Saturday evening I'll be in Los Alamos NM for quite a few months.

I'll be board out of my mind until I get settled and get some shooting stuff down there.

My wife will join me in a month or so. It'll be a well earned vacation for her and for me a change is as good as a rest.

I'll be in contact.
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Old 01-01-2009, 03:57 AM
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Yobuck,
The Claw actually excels in the multiple shot arena. In fact, if you go to the website, go to the photos/videos section. In there you can click on both video to give you an idea on both recoil and multiple shots.
When you attach The Claw you are in effect adding the weight of the tripod to you rifle. As you well know adding weight to a rifle reduces recoil. Assuming the weight of the average tripod is in the 3-8 lb range that is helping to reduce recoil dramatically without actually having to carry a heavier rifle in the field. Not only this but there is also a "fulcruming" effect where in order for the rifle to move backwards upon the shot, it has to rock the tripod backwards which takes away recoil because the legs have drag on the ground. The net effect is significantly reduced recoil. I would say a 300 ultra mag, which I shoot, feels like a .270. The reduction in recoil actually improves your multiple shot accuracy because you can reaquire your target faster with less rifle movement upon the shot. Both of these points are well illustrated in the demo videos. Now it must be fairly stated that in the demo the rifle used is a .223 so it is not on the scale for which we are referring to but the concepts still apply, just at a different scale.

Now, I believe you were also wondering what the possible negative effects may be to the tripod suggesting that the tripod is absorbing all this energy from the shot. While the tripod most certainly absorbs an energy it is at a very small amount. A small enough amount where there have been no negative effects. We have tripods (our own personal tripods) which we have shot hundreds of rounds off of with not one apparent ounce of damage.

This can be attributed to two factors. First, the major component of energy from the shot is driving backwards like in any situation. Your shoulder is still there to absorb some of this energy although reduced. Secondly, the entire weight and the fulcruming effect of the tripod reduces any one part of the tripod from absorbing much energy. Lastly and perhaps most importantly, The attachment of The Claw to the tripod is NOT Static. The attachment interface is a textured rubber (The Claw) to resin/wood (the stock). Now when you attach the Claw you will not be able to even slightly move it with your hand. It feels like it is machined into the stock. However, on a microscopic level, upon the shot there is absorbtion/movement within the rubber siding of The Claw. Much like the effects of the recoil and silencing properties of the SIMS products. Or another analogy, like the effects of a rubber football mouthpiece covering the teeth upon a force to the jaw.

This is why I say shooting off of The Claw is such a joy to shoot...it really is. I feel like I am shooting a 50 cal off of the back of a Hum V!

I hope this answers your questions Yobuck
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Old 01-07-2009, 12:57 PM
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Re: The Claw

Here is my experience. I can shoot with shooting sticks out to 400 yrds and be really accurate. The closer I get to 400 yards I really like to have my back against something. I also really like to have a good seating position so I can have my elbow on my knee and stabilize my upper body. I have noticed that this is why I can't shoot past 400 yards or so. Its that upper body movement that starts to really affect the accuracy of the rest. I would assume that the claw would have the same problem but probably be a little more stable than shooting sticks.

I would like to here what a 3 shot group is like from the claw verses prone at 1k or even 600yrds.
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Old 01-07-2009, 01:31 PM
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Cruizin,
I think your observation and experience correct and is the same as for everyone. You are right, it is your postural and arm muscles that start to introduce the movements which results in a miss. That's why the prone position is the time tested shooting position, especially for long range. This is not a problem when you are target shooting under controlled conditions. However when in a hunting situation, finding a place to shoot from prone expecially in an undetermined and quick moment can be daunting to impossible. This is what is unique to The Claw, making it different than your standard shooting sticks or stock mounted bipod. It not only supports the rifle but actually will hold it in place for you so you don't have to support the butt of the rifle with your shoulder (the main, not only,interface where human error gets introduced). Instead you can learn to just have the "presence" of your shoulder behind the butt of rifle and eliminate most, if not all, of the movement created by your postural and arm muscles. Please see my quotes from my earlier post.

"Think about this. If you mount your rifle in The Claw on the tripod it absolutely, positively will not even slightly move….Absolute rest! Contrary to what was mentioned earlier the heavier guns do not make the tripod move more but it is the opposite. Lighter objects provide for more movement because when you put your shoulder behind the rifle it is easier to create movement on a light object. This is why bench rest shooters shoot as heavy as a rifle as they can get away with. It’s why Shaquile Oneal can’t shoot free throws also! The only thing that can move the crosshairs when mounted in The Claw is a force to the rifle. So theoretically, if you could shoot the rifle without putting your shoulder into it then your crosshair will not move AT ALL. While we obviously do not recommend shooting without your shoulder behind the rifle you can learn to shoot with very light pressure in the stock. Much like when shooting a bow, your bow hand should be very relaxed, gripping the bow as lightly as possible. No other set up will allow you to do this in this way. When you learn to shoot relaxed like this then the set up is phenomenal."................"if you just can’t get comfortable with the thought of a “light shoulder” behind the butt of the gun you can do as done in the past and place shooting sticks under the butt of the gun to eliminate any remaining “micro” movement. This provides you the same or better feel upon shot as before but you gain all the other benefits of The Claw under all shooting conditions when you don’t have time to place sticks under the butt of the rifle."
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Old 01-07-2009, 03:45 PM
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well I might consider it if you could hit a dinner plate at 1k with it. Can you? What about others? What is the furthest shot taken with it? What were you aiming at? How big was the target? Did you hit it? 180 bucks is a lot of money considering my shooting sticks pretty much do the same thing.
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Old 01-07-2009, 04:12 PM
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Roy, you must be pretty quick with your camera. I dont think I could throw my gun up in the air, take a picture and catch it before it hits the ground, Thats talent!
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