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Old 09-15-2004, 09:39 AM
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Re: Boone and Crocket reticle range test.

good grouper,
Whatever method works for you is great.
I prefer to get my good solid rest,zap the animal with my rangefinder, assess the conditions, pick an aimpoint in my scope and fire. It doesn't get any easier than that.

I don't trust clicks. With set aimpoints I have tested and proven to be consistent and correct at the range I am much more confident.
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Old 09-15-2004, 09:59 AM
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Re: Boone and Crocket reticle range test.

I think each method has its advantages. Multiple point reticles can allow for a more rapid shot, but are limited in accuracy and therfore in range. I have worked out ballistic plex and mildots and since I usually practice similar to where and how I hunt it works well out to around 600 yards.
At longer distances it makes sense to determine all the factors and dial it in. There is less room for error and falling between a hashmark or dot is not really acceptable. I have a Leupold tactical that I have taken to longer distances. Once all of your math is correct it is much easier to be repeatable. Clicking it is theoretically only limited by the amount of elevation you have and the accuracy of your load if you have factored everything else in.
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Old 09-15-2004, 10:28 AM
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Re: Boone and Crocket reticle range test.

I use the handy Pathfinder Ballistic Chart on my scopes now instead of attaching labels for drop to the rifle. The Pathfinders, also sold by Leupold, are similar to a tape measure, they pull out and reel back into the turret like container. They are great - well made and fast. Available in 1" and 30mm and put on in seconds.

Also carry cards in my pocket, just in case. Usually shoot 175 BHA so carry the waterproof Ballisticards for that load. Ballisticards are also a very handy LR tool, can be custom made to your particular load.

Don't forget the great little ACI indicator from SniperTools, no scope being used in angle shooting should be without one of these little babies. Fast and accurate calculation of drop when shooting at angles. They either strap to the scope tube or you can get a slick little holder from Badger Ord. I like the Badger rig, since I am doing all these commercials...

Bottom line is - putting an ACI and a Pathfinder on your scope makes it look very specialized (even if you do not have a clue how to operate them [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] ). I would say that they make the rig look COOL but am way too old and crotchety for that - but all my scopes have them now, can't beat an NXS rigged out with those accessories.

I agree that you cannot shoot as accurately at longer range, past 5-600, without using your turrets, that is a simple fact. I have shot the Horus a lot, it is the ultimate hold-off point scope and it works out to longer distances. But it is one busy reticle design and I find I need to write down my holdoffs or I forget where I was at. Takes about the same time when I crank the turrets. Bottom line is that we need to use math and keep notes to be confident.
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Old 09-15-2004, 07:11 PM
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Re: Boone and Crocket reticle range test.

nottofar,
I'm glad you are confident in your method and I didn't mean to sound like my way was best, it just works for me and many of the people I show. Confidence is key as you know, and only a fool would argue with success. Just for my education in case somebody I know prefers your method, what do you do if the bullet point of impact needed for a given range is inbetween the hashes? Is there a way to compensate for this without messing around with the power? I take people out and try to get them in the vha 1000 yard club on rodent-sized targets and one needs all the power one can get to see the darn things at that range. I would hate to turn the power down on their scopes.
Any info would be helpful.
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Old 09-16-2004, 07:23 AM
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Re: Boone and Crocket reticle range test.

goodgrouper,
Not a problem. Of course you think your way is best cause it works for you and you have confidence it is the best way, for you.

Since I don't trust clicks, there is no way I could use your method. I agree that if indeed clicks are accurate and adjust to the exact place you think they went when you clicked it there your method is better especially for past 600 yards as other posters have noted.

For me if I end up between the aim points on my scope I end up estimating. Just like I did when I just had a regular duplex.
Lets use an example.
I used to sight in at 300 yards, leaving me vulnerable to the overshot at 200 yards or especially on an angle shot. If I saw a deer at 400 yards, I know a deer is 18 inches wide and my bullet drop at that distance is 7 inches so I hold just under the back line and dead deer.
Now with the Boone and Crocket reticle I have the same options. If I see a bear at 305 yards I know he is exactly midway between my first two aim lines (250 and 350).
I center the bear and shoot, dead bear.(see the pictures I posted of my bear a couple weeks ago on long range hunting).
My biggest range between aim points is from the 350 to the 500 mark. Here is where the rangefinder and a flat shooting rifle is critical. If I know the exact yardage it is easy to go either from the 350 or 425(halfway point) or the 500 yard aim points and adjust for a slight holdover or holdunder. Or if there is the option to move to adjust the distance to get closer to one of the aimpoints that is good also.
I have been using holdover out to 500 yards on animals for years and been very successful on animals as small as coyotes so the Boone and Crocket reticle is just a more precise method. I practice a lot out in the desert out to 600 yards so have it down pretty well.
I grant you that a person who did not put in the range time and just went out and thought the reticle was going to work great and was not prepared with knowledge of his bullet drop and bullet impacts at the different aimpoints and for inbetween distances may be in for some surprises.
Sorry for the long explanation.
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Old 09-16-2004, 09:09 AM
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Re: Boone and Crocket reticle range test.

nottoofar,
You hit it on the head, we have to practice and get the knowledge and confidence to use holdoffs with accuracy.

I was like you for a long time, did not like to mess with turrets and I still believe that some turrets are best left alone. But I found that when I got really good scopes that the turrets are absolutely accurate and trustworthy. Made a big change in my shooting. Scopes like the NXS and MK4 are designed to be cranked - matter of fact the more you work the turrets the crisper some of them get since there are rubber O-rings that need to seat from use. When I use mildot reticles I also get five additional holdoff points for elevation, all I have to do is shoot to determine what range they are good for.

Big problem is out past 5-600 where the curve of the trajectory is not a nice arc but a parabola that starts to curve real sharp. We find that makes holdoff estimation really tuff, clicking will give more precision.

Envy your ability to go out in the desert and shoot, we lose about 1/3 or more of our shooting-year to winter.
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