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Is "Big Green Slipping?

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Unread 02-28-2010, 10:54 PM
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Re: Is "Big Green Slipping?

Remy-love em or leave em has been debated nemorous times before on LRH and what's interesting is the posts all mirror each other in various categories:

1.) alot of folks that have had faulty rifles and are done with Remys.
2.) few but far too many who have had faulty rifles and keep buying them.
3.) most in 1 & 2 agree Remy Tech Support is unsatisfactory.
4.) a few that own 14gazzillion and everyone shot like a BR rig (I didn't include
these folks in rating Remy's Tech Support as they never had any issues).

I'm going to oversimplify this to keep it short but, Some companies call it the triangle. Quality, Time, Cost. Pick any two you want but you cant have all three otherwise you go out of business. They have decided to go with Cost and Time so you get inexpensive and readily available but quality suffers and trust me they have reams of paper on type of defects/number of units blah blah blah and it's an acceptable number to them so long as they move X number of units at Y price and keep cost associated with defects to Z amount or below. It's not that they need a wake up call...they don't...it's their business plan and it works.

Bottom line and I say this with no sarcasism but you get what you pay for...it's a roll of the dice. Think about it, 6-700 bucks retail of which maybe they get 4-500 bucks of that...now what do you think your going to get? Heck you can't get a custom action for that, a custom barrel not much less than that, a custom stock not much less than that, smith's labor more than that. There's hope though...If you want to buy a remy then purchase one from those that have 14gazillion that all shoot accurately.

Remy has a niche, a Marketplace they can satisfy and they do cause they sell them by the boatloads. IMHO the Marketplace majority they are tuned into is not in LR shooting.

If you want to read more on what folks have to say about Remy's here a link:

I'm Done With Remington
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My VTR's accuracy is great (I handload tho), but the trigger and stock were horrible (I replaced both. BC Medalist Tactical Vertical Grip and Timney 1.5 - 4lb. trigger). I would not my another Remington in the near future, unless they had something I absolutely could not get somewhere else, and I was prepare to spend the money to "fix" it up.

I am a big Savage fan tho, and from what I've seen (and own) their QC is great!

I have a review for the VTR here: Remington model 700 VTR.
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Re: Is "Big Green Slipping?

Good read, thanks for posting.
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Re: Is "Big Green Slipping?

I will be the first to say if something is a poor product and will not pull the punches
but over the years I have seen all of the rifle manufactures fall into a slump as far as
quality control and most have learned that reputation will make or break you.

I saw remington fall into this several times "BUT" it was minor things like a poor fitting
stock,action screws that were two short (Only a couple of threads engagement), actions
that were not faced squarely and recoil lugs that were not ground perfectly flat ETC.

But Lately I have seen an improvement in machine tolerance (Better QC) than in the past
on there actions, And the wooden stocks are inleted better,

But as someone related to price controls quality and in order to hold the price down they
like others came up with tupperware stocks that are junk and are no more than a handel.

Also everyone is using a ugly black finish that is cheaper and as a results it looks cheap.

To avoid this you have to spend 2 or 300.00 dollars more to get a good stock and a good
finish.

This Wal-Mart mentality is the reason that quality has gone down on some models and
brands of rifles and will continue as long as the public wants cheep products as apposed
to top quality.

Fortunately there are better quality rifles in most manufactures inventory but you will have to
pay more for them.

And as to the accuracy of factory rifles the production line rifles will continue to be a pig in
a poke as far as accuracy with maybe 1 out of 20 that will shoot decent.

So overall I have seen an improvement in the machining tolerances in the actions in Remington
and a turn down in fit and finish in the cheaper models.

A custom barrel will cost an average of $300.00 and when you can buy a complete rifle for
between $300.00 and $400.00 dollars you cant expect much.

So if you want a good quality rifle you will have to pay for it ,if you just want a rifle that will
shoot 2 or 3 MOA then the cheaper models will work.

I blue print all actions and find minor problems with all brands including some custom actions
not just Remington.

Just my experiences of late.

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Re: Is "Big Green Slipping?

J E Custom, what has your experience been with quality of BAT actions out of the box?
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Re: Is "Big Green Slipping?

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J E Custom, what has your experience been with quality of BAT actions out of the box?
Surgeon makes an awesome action also...
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Re: Is "Big Green Slipping?

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J E Custom, what has your experience been with quality of BAT actions out of the box?
Most all of the custom actions have been very close to perfect but you should always check
them and not assume that this is always the case.

I have found a few that needed a little tweaking but that is the exception not the rule
but it does happen because somewhere in the QC testing something was missed.

With factory actions the near perfect ones are the exception and not the rule and I can
count on having to do something to all of them.

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