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Unread 09-03-2004, 05:25 PM
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Re: 6.5x284

Cheechako: Don’t pull me into this… It takes me about six to ten rounds with a cold/cool barrel to hit the golf balls, perhaps half that to hit the water ration cans. But I will tell you this:

1) Froggy should be competing and was recruited by an Olympics Scout to shoot in the 1984 (?) Olympics. It did not happen; as he apparently did not have the time or funds available.

2) I have been shooting for 38 years – I teach it, and authored a book designed specifically for the hunter who has been shooting for thirty+ years but does not have the knowledge or confidence to take a six hundred yard shot. Pathetic? Many pro’s might think so; because all the hunter really needs is a little more information, just a little more knowledge to bring his/her skill level up; woman make for The Best Shooters on the Planet.

Now, I say knowledge because there are people that know how to shoot, and there are people that really know how to shoot. They know about internal and external ballistics… What makes a tuned pet load and how it affects the harmonics of their barrel and a whole lot more; A WHOLE LOT MORE. Once upon a time Mr. David Tubbs taught me something about sunlight that I hadn’t put together. That was that when the sun is behind you, the bullet will impact low; to your right and poi is left; left and the poi will hit right; and as much as ˝ inch. This is basic stuff that I just didn’t have a hold on for years. Well, learning never stops and neither does the BS. But I will tell you this, Froggy is not a guy that is full of BS, nor does he deserve to be slammed. He may be a bit boastful at times, mostly in jest, but he is a great guy, a Vietnam Vet, and someone who knows technically and instinctively how to really shoot. Challenging him is one thing, and if you are not a Pro Shooter who hasn’t already shrugged your shoulders and dismissed yourself from this string, and have the cojones, I dare you to. BTW, the 6.5 x 284 that George Gardner re-cut and chambered for him is one of The Best shooting rifles I have seen.

This last year a new 1000 yard
Record was shot with a .300 win mag using Berger VLD 210's that measured 1.4 inches; (everyone knows this...) a Five shot (?) Ten shot (?) string. That's a golfball Every round. I geuss that's the true definition of "Consistency."

S1: I am not a competitor - so you will not have the thrill of releiving me of my money. But I will have the thrill of watching Froggy kick your ass. So, as you so stated, step on up to the plate and "compete."

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Unread 09-03-2004, 05:30 PM
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WELL NOW!.....That does seem to clear things up a bit. 5 out of 30 is still fine shooting. Not quite W's claim of 'consistently' in my dictionary, but I can see why he might be impressed. We have ten gunsmiths at our club that can build sub 1/4 moa rifles, glad you found yourself one. [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] Most of the smiths here will shoot them better than 1/4 moa on a nice day too. Half of those old boys could not see a golf ball through their scopes at 1,000 yards, ( the eyes just are'nt as good as they use to be).

W.....You need to come to Missouri and get a reality check 'boy'.

Fact is. I do compete. And if I recall, I won the last two out of three competitions I entered. Thats a matter of record. Seems to me their were at least 5 Mathews built guns in the competitions too. Fact is, When there are few A.R. Tactical built guns competing against a bunch of Mathews built stuff, the old 30 Wolf smokes them.
Now maybe you would be kind enough to sponsor Froggy to come to Missouri and show us all how to shoot??? We have wives and kids too, and work just like every one else. Bring it on Sweet pea.

P.S. Seems to me you owe .308win an apology, 3 out of 30....maybe 5???? Get real!

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Unread 09-03-2004, 05:58 PM
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S1: I have grossly misjudged your character and gave you credibility where none was deserved. You are not my kind, not invited into my circle of friends and no further contact is desired. Get a clue.
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Unread 09-03-2004, 06:28 PM
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Re: 6.5x284

Froggy, would you be able to post that pic taken throught your scope again, only this time can you highlight/ circle or somthing the golf ball. Cuz I can't see it [img]images/icons/blush.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img]
Thanks Wombat
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Unread 09-03-2004, 06:40 PM
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Re: 6.5x284

W - I think we have about run this thread into the ground. But I have to respond to your post to me.

I shot in my first competition in 1955.(Yes, I am old) I have competed in just about every shooting discipline known except for shotgun. I held a Master classification in both indoor and outdoor pistol and Master in NRA Highpower. Because of my age and eyesight I have competed only in benchrest for the last 15 years. I currently shoot both point-blank and long range benchrest. At the 2002 National Championships that I mentioned I finished 2nd in both score and group, two gun, 12 target. There is no single National Champion trophy awarded in NBRSA competition but if there were I had sufficient points to win it.

I'm not boasting about what I have done. Only to let you know that I, too, know a little about shooting.

I'm aware of those small groups shot at 1000 yards. The smallest NBRSA group (5 shots) is even smaller at 1.473 inches. And yes, that would have hit a golf ball every shot. However, keep in mind two things. First this not every day shooting, or even every year. It's a once in a lifetime thing. The six target aggregate record stands at 4.7967 inches. Second, there is no evidence that the small group was anywhere near the X ring so it may well be that none of those shots would have hit a golf ball. Remember, it was shot for group, not score. Group can be anywhere on the target - score has to be centered on the target.

I'll take your advice and leave this thread. It was fun.

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Unread 09-03-2004, 06:46 PM
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Re: 6.5x284

I never sead you couldn't do it. I sead I'd like to see it. PLease don't read in any more than what I sead. I'm not in a huff. I'm as EZ going as the next guy. I just like to watch good shooters shoot. NO Pot sturring intended. Please. next time ya do it have a vidio camera running. That will put the na sayers to bed. Good shooting to ya. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
I would love to come out and shoot with ya. How ever time and money prohibbit.

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Unread 09-03-2004, 07:11 PM
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Been lurkin here a for a bit. Regards all.

I got no problem with what froggy said, seem like a good shooter to me. W seems to be a bit huffy and let his mouth outrun his brain. Seems he made some claims even the frog man did not want to back up. Just my two cents.


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