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Wyoming Rep Immediately Re-introduces Bill to Allow Suppressor Use

 
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:47 PM
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Re: Wyoming Rep Immediately Re-introduces Bill to Allow Suppressor Use

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Outlaw, I have shot suppressed rifles and see what they do offer. I like the reduced noise and recoil a lot. But I am still in undecided mode about using them for big game hunting. Maybe allow them for varmints but not big game. Here is the reason. Knowing what I know and helping to bust several poachers, it was the shot I heard or someone calling me to report shots fired that tipped us off. That said, low rent takers of game, that ignore all game laws to illegally take trophies, so they can make it look like they are great hunters would still use them if they were legal or not. So, like I said, I like them but just not ready to vote in favor for big game hunting. Not yet any way. But I may change my mind as soon as I feel I know all the good and possible bad points.

Jeff


Jeff, at least you're keeping an open mind about it. That allows a civil discussion among peers to help conclude or at least guide an INFORMED decision. I commend you for that. I also recognize your point & inderstand both of them. Yes they most certainly can help poachers, but as low life scum, the legality of tool is a moot point. Illegal is illegal is illegal. This particular bill also touches on that subject, strengthening the penalty for illegal use. Again, another win for our cause. The penalty will be higher after the bill passes than it is now, while allowing those of use who are not idiots to enjoy their benefits.

As always, your input is more than welcome. I maybe more than some, enjoy conversation as well as a good debate.


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Old 01-18-2013, 05:19 PM
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Re: Wyoming Rep Immediately Re-introduces Bill to Allow Suppressor Use

A few years ago it was mentioned as a possible bill here in Montana. I didn't think it would fly and it never even made it to a vote. I have thought about it a lot since then. I do understand some values of supressors. But still not sure. That said I would not vote against them either. I am truly on the fence.

I wonder how many elk could be taken from one herd from 700 yards if they were not alarmed from the shot? I guess we have taken 2 from the same herd with braked rifles before they moved out, so what's the difference? Just talking out loud here as I would like to air all the good and bad and take a side. It is diminishing the potency of one of their defense mechanisms (hearing) but so is sent spray, camo, and such.

I would be all for any increased fines for illegal taking of game. I feel most fines are way to low and most deliberate poachers keep poaching. They just get training in how to better get away with it.

So Outlaw, you have aready said we don't "need" them and I got your drift there. But aside from the reduced recoil and quieter discharge what do you feel they bring to the table? I am looking for the reasons to hunt with them.

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I wonder how many elk could be taken from one herd from 700 yards if they were not alarmed from the shot? I guess we have taken 2 from the same herd with braked rifles before they moved out, so what's the difference? Just talking out loud here as I would like to air all the good and bad and take a side. It is diminishing the potency of one of their defense mechanisms (hearing) but so is sent spray, camo, and such.

I would be all for any increased fines for illegal taking of game. I feel most fines are way to low and most deliberate poachers keep poaching. They just get training in how to better get away with it.

So Outlaw, you have aready said we don't "need" them and I got your drift there. But aside from the reduced recoil and quieter discharge what do you feel they bring to the table? I am looking for the reasons to hunt with them.

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The fine shout be WAY higher than it is now with a stint in the iron bar motel + loss of hunting rights. Violators should get hammered, hard when they do that.

The whole need thing really gets me wound up

Think about your 700 yard elk hunting setup. You, your bestest hunting buddies. You can conduct your whole routine, wind, range, dope, spotter + shot & spot all without yelling at each other & wondering whether or not they heard you.

Think about your upcoming woof hunt (i'm guessing you have at least one coming up), the ability to retain you natural hearing abilities while traversing to & from your call sight or ambush site, (hey, you never know when/where they'll show up right?) could impact, positively, your success rate.

For me the noise reduction is key, I have super sensative ears. Like, can barely shoot a rimfire & hear anything an hour later sensative. I already have a 20-30% hearing loss in one ear & live with tinitus every day of my life.... I could have used a suppressor 10 yrs ago!

What about the new shooter/hunter? That one that's always been interested in the sport but is scared to death of the noise? I've been in that situation, they're scared of the noise, affraid noise it equally proportionate to recoil & generally shoot poorly or not at all because of it. Throw a suppressor on that rifle, noise is reduced drastically, along with recoil, allowing that individual to calm down, concentrate & enjoy. A suppressor could be a wonderful tool for the timid...

I feel like i'm trying to sell you a used car, sorry about that. It's not my intention at all.
I honestly feel like, for every con, two pros can be brought forth.

I would personally support starting with varmint hunting. Let us use suppressors for varmint hunting, let the people learn that suppressors aren't some black magic death machine keen on taking their first born child. They are a tool, & if properly used, one that can greatly enhance ones time afield.


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Re: Wyoming Rep Immediately Re-introduces Bill to Allow Suppressor Use

The big arguement from the F&G is that its harder to pinpoint a surppressed shot BUT in reality its no harder than a muzzle brake! Someone that has the responability to go through all the hoops to get a suppressor is not likely to use it illegally!
It sure would make spotting a lot easier....1/2 my 75% hearing loss is from shooting muzzle broke guns or being around the dang things, ya we try to remember hearing protection but someitmes?
Bottom line here is there is not a downside to a supresser other than it adds a little weight and balk to the wrong end of a gun.IMHO
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Re: Wyoming Rep Immediately Re-introduces Bill to Allow Suppressor Use

The points made in favor are valid. Thinking of some of the young hunters I work with in the field. I am seeing the benefits more all the time. Just trying to get all the info. I am pretty surprised there have not been more opposition on here with some facts why they shouldn't be used. Maybe your right and there isn't really any solid reasons.

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Re: Wyoming Rep Immediately Re-introduces Bill to Allow Suppressor Use

I have been seriously thinking about stepping up to a true Long Range cartridge like .338 Lapua lately. One of the things I have decided for sure is that, if I do, I would prefer a suppressor to a muzzle brake. Lower recoil, won't go deaf shooting it... What's not to like?

As more and more states change their laws to allow use of suppressors for hunting, I think they will continue to gain acceptance. I just hope they don't go from being accepted to being mandatory.

If there is resistance to hunting big game with them, perhaps a good starting place would be to allow their use against varmints and predators, including wolves. I am betting that would be likely to change a lot of minds.
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Re: Wyoming Rep Immediately Re-introduces Bill to Allow Suppressor Use

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I have been seriously thinking about stepping up to a true Long Range cartridge like .338 Lapua lately. One of the things I have decided for sure is that, if I do, I would prefer a suppressor to a muzzle brake. Lower recoil, won't go deaf shooting it... What's not to like?

As more and more states change their laws to allow use of suppressors for hunting, I think they will continue to gain acceptance. I just hope they don't go from being accepted to being mandatory.

If there is resistance to hunting big game with them, perhaps a good starting place would be to allow their use against varmints and predators, including wolves. I am betting that would be likely to change a lot of minds.

I had alluded to something similar to that in one of my previous posts. I think it would be a great way to introduce the use of suppressors & would support that effort. Start small & work towards the end goal. A day on the prairie dog town or a good ambush position on a pack of wolves sure could benefit from suppressor use.

MachV, I also agree with your statements. The process of procurement is pretty lengthy. Roto-rooter comes to mind If bubbas got the mindset capable of procuring one, I sure wouldn't think he'd use it to poach something. If he does then you hunt him down & throw his ass in jail, fine him to the poor house & show the community that we are serious about this.

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