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Old 03-01-2005, 09:10 PM
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Re: A-Max bullets for hunting

Pete,

If expanding is the criteria then the SMK meets the legal definition in the UK.

Do not confuse the term "match" with "non-expanding". Only the military bullets and the lathe turned solid copper alloy bullets for the 408 are truly non-expanding. Everything else expands.

Note that the military bullets are designed to "break apart" when they hit in order to do more damage and be legal under the Geneva Convention.

BH
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Old 03-02-2005, 04:55 AM
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Re: A-Max bullets for hunting

Pete,
A muscular illness knackered my legs up and walking through woods and heavy undergrowth would most likely result in a fall,which with a loaded rifle in my hands(even with the safety on) would not be very clever

Long range hunting on open terrain would be ideal for me but as you know this is very rare in the UK and also frowned upon. There are several areas locally, where i have tried to negotiate long range shooting on rabbit warrens without success, but i shall keep on trying.

Centre Punch.

PS. Being half German and half Geordie, did you ever get the e-mail i sent you some months ago?
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Old 03-03-2005, 09:16 PM
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Re: A-Max bullets for hunting

Pete,
I enjoy and respect your contribution to this site - really great that you share your good fortune of being able to do so much hunting. We are different over here, we hunt under much more stringent quotas even tho game is very plentiful. Except on privately raised herds our game animals are owned by the people of the state, province or country. We do not shoot for resale, although much of our game is donated to family, friends or welfare agencies.

I happen to completely agree with your assesment of the 'puter hunts. I expect that most of the folks here would feel the same - personal mobility issues are very significant to hunters and I have been fortunate to meet some hunters who - with wonderful help from buddies - enjoy hunting and shooting despite almost complete paralysis. In Vegas they offer paintball hunts for near naked young women - takes all kinds and the word "hunt" should not be used in connection with either activity in my opinion. Same goes for pen hunts, we call them "Shooting Zoo's" in Sask. and believe me, we have lots of them. Don't care if they are labeled Estate Hunts or whatever, high fences elliminate the use of the word HUNTING in my mind.
We stay clear of ethics because you have yours, I have mine and we have seen way too much space wasted argueing ethics instead of sharing long range hunting info. There are sites that will argue ethics and about anything that anyone says, this is not such a place. Len and Dave invited me to be a moderator and we are pretty determined to keep the site focused on long range shooting and hunting - period. Not that we cannot share close-range hunts or tips on doing any kind of shooting and hunting better, but we are Long Range Hunting and that is it (we also are fortunate to share news of birthdays, new toys, new off-spring and other personal events - even Dave King's trials and tribulations with his favoritist mother in law!)
As for match bullets - I honestly believe if Sierra touted Matchkings as being superb hunting bullets they would lose sales of their GameKings - an dthey do not want that to happen. Truth is that they do quiet well selling both - two separate product lines. Do Matchkings, Competition Supremes, A-Max, Bergers, etc. function well as hunting bullets. At longer range - our experience has been, yes. Matter of fact I have had excellent performance at closer ranges, including inside 50 yards. My friends and I have killed about the number of game critters that you did last year, actually a bunch more ungulates but who's counting. We used a wide variety of bullets, including AMax, Matchkings, J-4 (now Competition Supremes from Nosler) and Speer match. We also used Barnes Triple Shocks, Nosler Accubond and Ballistic Tips and Hornady Interbonds. Mostly handloads but I shot some Winchester Accubonds CT's and Ballistic Silvertips in the .300 WSM on about fifteen kills.
Bottom line. They all performed well and we did not lose any critters on all the long shooting done. Although we did take animals as we could, the deer were so spooked we did most of the shooting from 500 out past 750. Every 90 degree side shot went through, including the longest shots. We recovered a few bullets from angled shots, not many since most of them also penetrated very well. Exits were usually about 1.5-2 inches. Not huge but not caliber size either.
I would suggest that you try A-Max's, there is only one way to find out how well they perform. As for suitable "hunting bullets" - sorry situation when "suits" (beaurocrats - no idea how to spell that friggin word...) get to tell hunters what they can and can't shoot at animals. There are very few bullets that drill straight though tissue and bone - I am sure you have seen how nasty the venerable .303 British FMJ could become after it hit something hard. Matter of fact I can think of a few and they are purely hunting bullets (Speer African solids for instance). You have concerns and are entitled to them, but I would sure like you to try a few "match bullets" and let us know your results. You have an extraordinary opportunity to test bullets - not everyone can hunt as much as you are so fortunate to do.
This topic could have got volatile and it isn't - when guys like Dave King, Brent, Wyo and Bounty say that Matchkings perform well, I would stuff my rifle with those controvercial HPBT's anyday. (Not sure if Len has ever killed any critters, seems he is mostly into non-consumptive hunting with those big Nikon lenses [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] and raising hell when guys post in the wrong slot [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img])
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Old 03-04-2005, 09:07 PM
 
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Re: A-Max bullets for hunting

Ian, I wouldn't do the computer hunt.....but the vegas hunt!!!
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Old 03-08-2005, 09:22 AM
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Been off line a few days Guys...
Ian,put my name down for the Vegas Hunt !!! thanks for your input. the way i look at the ethics thing is that we who are lets say, " in the lime light" have influence over the methods and tactics used in hunting by many of the shooting / hunting populus. We need to promote correct ethics and methods and the correct use of equipment to head the anti's off at the pass.
Like i said, i expect Steve Hornady to be at the IWA (he was last year) i'll be having words and if i feel satsified i shall perhaps be trying the Amax on Roe deer this year.
I know what FMJ type bullets will to certain target substances. Its the wafer thin, imidiately expanding match type bullets that i am wary of.
Deer are an easy to kill game species in most cases, a wild pig is a different kettle of fish entirely, you won't get away with using match bullets on them without loosing some carcases. With ref to canned hunting, well it depends on how big the estates are, you usualy find that there are natural fences of boundaries like rivers, gorges, etc, and mixed with man made things like deer fencing, motorways/highways/ housing areas etc. The last thing i would want to do is shoot an animal that didn't have a chance of escapeing me before i got chance of a shot.
Centre Punch,, email me again mate i can't remember a mail from you. what you need is a quad bike and to come with me to the Borders. plenty of long shots available there.
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