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Old 03-04-2006, 11:17 AM
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The small gray wolf was native to the Lolo area and is therefore going to allow IDF&G to trap out these large gray wolves. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I have been informed by those who are supposed to know these things (not gov't) that the larger wolf has now made the smaller native wolf extinct. Neat huh?

As for the smaller wolf I personally observed one 26 years ago just 30 miles east of here and another a year later @ Jackson WY.

From what I have gathered the only thing benefiting nature from wolf reintroduction is better stands of willows along stream beds as the elk are a bit more reclusive since the wolf.

I watched the tree hugger documentary about wolf reintroduction in Yellowstone. The scientist was super excited when he was able to say that when the elk first saw the wolf, they knew exactly what to do.......Run! Duh! Someone wasted a bunch of bucks on that fella's education.....

Locals have stated that they have seen and heard wolves just north of Idaho Falls (Manan Butte) around an elk wintering area. The F&G swear that they are feral dogs. Well good! My new jacket is going to have FDED embossed on the back. (Feral Dog Elimination Division). Then we'll see what comes out of the wood work [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Jeeze this warms me up! Plus we got dumped on in the night and its still dumping. Only snow we've had and its supposed to be spring [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
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All I have to say is that the Yellowstone elk herd that used to migrate into southern Montana has decreased over 30% since the time they reintroduced the wolves. The bad news is that one study listed the fawn predation precentage at around 55 to 65% every year since the reintroduction.

What this tells me is that in 4 to 5 years when the elk herds mature and start dying off from old age and such, that 30% drop in population will expand to a 60 to 70% drop in numbers.

They used to issue around 2500 bull permits for the Gardner area every year and this late season hunt was world famous. Now its nearly impossible to draw this tag and more sad then that, when you do, seldom do any elk come out of the park because there are not nearly as many there to begin with.

The "Biologists" say its because of drought conditions. They are about as knowlegable on this topic as the Washington DC Liberals that pushed to put the wolves back in the park.

Unfotunately we can not shoot the wolves yet and out numbers are in the several hundred range last time the F&G posted the wolf populations. Thats total including the native wolves in the central and north parts of western Montana.

When out of state tourists line up with huge telephoto lensed cameras for the sole purpose to photograph a calf elk being pulled from its mother by a pack of wolves, we are in serious trouble. Its those damn tourists that have the money and the say in what happens to our wildlife unfortunately. It is really sad to see and unfortunately, my kids will never see the late season hunt around the park. It will be gone in a few years.

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This whole wolf thing has just gotten out of hand. The management tactics have got some serious readjusting coming. It is my understanding that the feds won't release the handling of wolf populations to the states yet because Wyoming will list them as a "shoot on sight, no limits, no season predator". (Good for them) In the mean time Montana and Idaho elk, deer and livestock are suffering an on going assault (yes, wolves assault their prey) and the sportsmen and ranchers hands are tied. The feds NEED to allow the wolves to be managed by the individual states and not as a massive 3 state pack. The population of wolves has recovered for Pete's sake. They have almost become a cancer in the management program.

They should never have been brought back. If tree huggin, dirt eatin, twig wearing druids wanted to see fluffy, cuddly wolves gorging themselves on fresh born calves, fauns and lambs (which is going to screw up populations like those mentioned above for years to come) they should have gone to Canada or Alaska where they were already roaming about with the hand of mother nature stroking their beautiful pelts as they went about their business.

Wolves suck and I can't wait 'till I get a whack at them.

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News cast this morning stated that the number of wolves in ID/MT/WY exceed 1000.

ID about 512
MT 300+
WY 200+

Searched for the source of the numbers. Couldn't find them but found this. Will a Woof eatcha?

Haven't heard anythin in the TV news/newspaper/Radio or the Yellowstone Tree Hugger Post Gazette [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Wind isn't blowing today. I'm gonna punch some holes in paper. Way more soothing than milk [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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Here's the straight skinny: Billlings , Mont (AP)
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Re: Wolves in Idaho and Most Probably Montana

Didn't all this get started when someone determined that an overpopulation of Elk was what had caused the drastic reduction of the Aspen? I saw something about that, but can't recall what it was. Surely at some point the powers that be will let y'all start taking a few. I'm curious, not being from that part of the country or ever having been there, are ANY wolves too many? I guess the first time I heard they were reintroducing wolves to the park, I thought that it was a good thing. Maybe I'm confused as to the purpose of the park to begin with.
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are ANY wolves too many? <font color="blue">The locals think so. So and so down the road remember when his father shot the last wolf in Bingham County. (Though it wasn't really the last one, I don't think) </font>

I guess the first time I heard they were reintroducing wolves to the park, I thought that it was a good thing. Maybe I'm confused as to the purpose of the park to begin with. <font color="blue"> Went to Yellowstone for the first time last year. What a pain in the rear. Was the off season and there were still too many people, though the ones I visited with were pretty nice.

Elk multiply and remain in the same area. Griz multiply and expand their area very slowly. Wolves multiply and spread like wild fire. </font>

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