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What ever happened to Western count on Whitetails?

 
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Old 12-27-2005, 01:16 AM
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What ever happened to Western count on Whitetails?

My nephew got a nice whitetail this year in Idaho and brought it by to show me the rack which he called a 5 point. I pointed out to him that what he had was a very nice 4 point western count as the eye guards/brow tines are not counted in a true western count. I even pointed out a passage in a book by Jack O'Connor that pointed out the difference between Eastern and Western count but he still didn't buy it. Also, he didn't have a clue as to who Jack O'Connor was either.

Then out of curiousity I polled some hunters here where I work(also in Idaho) and again each was wrong in his tally and wanted to halve the Eastern count. Where was the understanding of Western count lost? Is it a case of "Buckmaster syndrome"?
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Old 12-27-2005, 07:42 AM
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Re: What ever happened to Western count on Whitetails?

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Old 12-27-2005, 11:01 AM
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Re: What ever happened to Western count on Whitetails?

Why would you want to cheat the deer if it has browtines? I've never understood the western count. Why not just say "10 point?"
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Old 12-27-2005, 11:25 AM
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Re: What ever happened to Western count on Whitetails?

Pat S.

I think it all depends on how you were raised counting points. Personally, being from Montana, I would say 90% of the whitetail hunters up here count all the points on one side including the eyeguards so counting the eyeguards that buck would be a 5x5 up here.

With whitetails, the eyeguards are often a very substantial part of the overall trophy quality of a buck. You can easily gain 15" of score on eye guards alone.

As such, why would you not count anything that would contribute to such a degree to the trophy quality of the animal.

If we were talking mule deer I could understand as eyeguards are generally insignificant on mule deer. A huge set of eye guards on a muly will be about 2 to 3" in lenght. This is nothing for a quality whitetail which will generally push 7-8 inches and often up to 10" in length.

Just another side note and not meaning this in any disrespectful way, but just because a gunwriter says something does not mean its written in stone, or even correct for that matter [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

Everyone has their way of doing things, to say one way is the correct way and all others is wrong is a pretty bold statement in my book.

Again, its just what people grow up using and what they are used to.

Personally, if a tine is a scorable tine(+1" on the B&C system), I count it in my count as do most Montana hunters in my area of central Montana.

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Old 12-27-2005, 02:14 PM
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Re: What ever happened to Western count on Whitetails?

Wouldn't the deer in question be a 25 point Eastern count? 5x5=25 right?
And if not exactly symetric i.e. both sides don't score within an eighth of an inch of each other, it would be considered nontypical.

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Old 12-27-2005, 03:00 PM
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Re: What ever happened to Western count on Whitetails?

I've never heard of the eye guards on a white tail not being counted. Mule deer I've always counted western style I guess with just counting forks and fliers. Unless its a big non typical then they are normally counted with everyone I hunt with in centrall Idaho.
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Old 12-27-2005, 04:31 PM
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Re: What ever happened to Western count on Whitetails?

Yeah, those two point whitetails make a real impressive mount. Especially the Texas variety, kicks sand on a (two) spike mulie. Personally, they can kill them all off and give the range back to our mule deer, if I had a choice. Let's put an end to whitetail polution.

Western count rules!

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