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I was questioning why the police hid behind there cars and trees some 50+ yards from the school.
Two trained officers, skilled with pistol/shotgun combat techniques should have been able to find and stop the shooter realativly easy. Listen to the gun fire, follow it to the source, eliminate the source with the element of suprise.
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Give me a break, now it is the cops fault. Give us ALL of the facts that were known at the time the police got there, and how many shots were fired AFTER the cops got there?
Did they know for a fact that there was ONLY one shooter?
Did they know for a fact that he only had pistols and not rifles.
They used cover for the same damn reason our soldiers have armoured Humvees and use cover in Iraq!
I see ZERO wrong with the police actions.
I see HUGE mistakes made by VT officials, but hindsight is great. How anyone would act when there life is in danger won't know until they are confronted.
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EXACTLY! This thing is turning out to be the Cops' and the guns fault, not the sick piece of crap that would even think of killing or trying to kill 50+ innocent people! All I can say is, If I were there with a CCW, the situation would have turned out a little differently.......
Responses to these situations are great, when were sitting at a computer terminal or in front of the TV.
I don't know which is greater. The remorse I feel for the lives lost, or the anger I feel when someone blames either the police or the gun for this.
As was stated earlier, it would be nice to have the facts, as close to all the facts, as possible before the finger is pointed at the police.
Preliminary reports stated that after the first shooting, the police apprehended someone who they later released. Frankly, it probably took some time before they established his non-involvement before the second shooting.
Could they have been two seperate incidents?
Don't know, but I'm not likely to start blaming anyone other than the shooter.
I've seen way too much death, and death causing situations to ever second guess the actions of the participants.
I can't even begin to imagine what the shooter had going through his twisted brain.
What pains me the most, however, and was brought up before, is this mentality to sit back and wait. I wasn't brought up this way, so I can't even begin to imagine what they're thinking. I'm not condemning those that did, I just don't understand how, as a society we have withdrawn to the point where our own survival is meaningless. By the same token, this same mentality about the quality of our lives is probably what removes the last barrier from some idiot going on a rampage.
And some CCW holders are in it for the cool factor. And I'm not trying to be defensive, but to show why some people do. To me, frankly, carrying a sidearm is a pain in the ass. I have to go out of my way to leave it at home, before picking up my little girl from school. I need to position myself to keep it hidden when taking a leak at a public urinal. I need to know exactly where were going on family trips and weigh how many times I need to leave it in the vehicle, and if it will be secure. Its a freaking burden sometimes. I carry it because I don't know who is going to be there to protect my little girl and wife if someone decides to go off.
George Washington originally balked at becoming the first President, but agreed because he felt he had a duty to the Country. Sometimes I wonder if it should have been written, over 200 years ago, as "A Duty to keep and bear arms" rather than a "right". 200 years of thinking about it differently sure would have made a different world.
I prayed for half an hour driving home yesterday, for all the victims.
Last night, I prayed for the soul of the killer.
Today, I pray that people realize, as I do with all of these events, that regardless of the Utopia of free will that people want to create, with BS on TV, disarming America, taking God out of everything, and blaming inanimate objects for the vile way men treat each other, that their actions only cause more harm.
They might want to start thinking about what is missing in people's lives that going on a shooting spree is the only answer to their problems.
And then realize that some people just can't be reached. That's the life we've been given.
I dont think it is the cops fault, this sick SOB is the one who did the damage. But i do believe the PD response was piss poor. You would think after watching the police at Columbine wait outside and the resulting life loss the policy of waiting would have changed like we were all told it would.
I personnally am very frustrated that the police again would wait outside while they could hear the attack happening. I am not law enforcement so I wont presume to know the best tactics. It does seem like more and more in our country the policy is to protect your own ass rather than help your fellow man.
Crap thing is is that you all know the anti gun nuts are gonna use this full force against us, and we are getting more and more outnumbered by these crack heads!!!!!
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I did a Google search for a time-line on the events (Link below):
The VT PD received a 911 call of a shooting at Norris Hall, which contains faculty offices, classrooms and laboratories. VT PD and Blacksburg PD immediately responded to Norris Hall. Notice in leadership command center via our police rep of a shooting in Norris.
Upon arrival to Norris Hall, the officers found the front doors barricaded. Within a minute the officers breached the doors, which had been chained shut from the inside.
Once inside the building, the officers heard gunshots. They followed the succession of gunshots to the second floor. Just as the officers reached the second floor, the gunshots stopped.
The officers discovered the gunman, who had taken his own life. There was never any engagement between the responding officers and the gunman.
Now if someone has some other source I would like to know where the police "hung around"!
Most situations are NOT stormed en masse, rather a special tactical squad makes the breach. Anyone not involved would naturally keep cover between them and the risk. You may have a hundred cops at the scene, and only one or two teams of 5 making the breach. TV can't see inside, so it makes it look like nothing is taking place.
Va Tech was one of the places my son considered because they have one of the better ROTC and engineering/computer science programs in the nation. You have a medium size city of 26,000 young kids who are spread all over the large campus.
Any police force that enters a building with guns blazing and kills a bunch of the wrong kids is staffed by idiots. This was learned the hard way at Kent State. Parents don't like you to kill their children. They have invested many years of love to get those kids to college and will not forgive anybody who kills their child. Nor is it very good to try to live with having killed a bunch of innocent kids.
Out of the 26,000 kids how were the police to figure out which one to shoot? I think they did about as well as they could, given that they were not dealing with any rational person and events were unfolding so quickly and out of any normal event a policeman would ever expect to see.
This was a no win situation for the kids and the police.