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Old 09-16-2013, 10:36 AM
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Re: Very useful tool ...

.... & to further my point, I made it from General Discussion to Equipment Discussion where I came across a 6-post newb selling his NF rings....

Is reading comprehension that freaking difficult?!


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Old 09-16-2013, 01:49 PM
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Great thing about V-Bulletin is the ability to add (or subtract) sub forums with a keystroke

This site really works pretty well with self moderation, most of the time and I believe the biggest issue is members never bother to read the users agreement, which leads to questionable content and misplaced posts.

If it were my forum I would curtail the wanted and for sale ads to only allowing members with a post count above say, 500, to post for sale or wanted. I see lots of for sale items especially, with posters with a post count less than 10, sometimes way less, like 1 or 2.

Those people aren't here to contribute anything and probably have no intention of ever being on forum except to sell something. That does nothing for the forum as a whole. Craigslist would be a better utilization and less clutter here, in my view.

I'm a member of the 'hide' though I have never posted anything, I'm not tacticool..lol, but I don't believe you can post for sale on that site (maybe you can, not really sure), anyway, there should be an imposed threshold for access to the wanted and for sale sub forums (thinking out loud).

If I lived 'out west', long range would be feasible, every day but as it is, it isn't (for me) except when I go hunting out west.

if you were to limit this site entirely to long range shooting/hunting, it would start loosing membership, it's too narrow of a focus for a self supporting website with public access. I've seen that occur on other forums and they aren't around anymore.

I believe Lens' goal initially was make the forum as wide based as possible to cultivatre membership and activity but it could stand some fine tuning, I think.

One thing that people don't understand (or maybe comprehend) is that nothing Internet related is free. Len is paying for the license to run the software, he's paying for the IT services, he's paying for the web space, you don't own anything on the web, you rent it. I'm sure this site covers it's expenses and then some (though paid advertisers), one reason I have no issue reporting commercial advertising, there is no free ride in the cyber world. Never has been. The only thing thats free here is the ability to post as an individual.

Like all the ads on here (and the dreaded full screen JD ad as well), they are whats referred to as 'click through advertising- and the forum owner gets so much monetarily for each click through. It all defrays the cost of operations.

This isn't a not for profit venture after all.

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Old 09-16-2013, 01:57 PM
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............What worries me is, if all of the more seasoned members take the mindset I have (I'm a bit of a pessimist) we will lose the knowledge base & content that brought LRH to fruition. In all honesty, when I open a sub-forum I play in & see what we are all seeing, I move on; I don't post or contribute in any way. I understand my thought process is far from optimal but I'm starting to feel a bit of justification as well...........

I believe we are already seeing that to some extent. It's a 'changing of the guard' sort of and I'm not at all sure it's good.
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Old 09-16-2013, 02:22 PM
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I've long supported a minimum post count for selling as the "hide" does (i'm a member there too). It used to be 100 posts & your posts were scrutinized, 100 posts that consist of +1 or nice rifle & ye ole' ban hammer came crashing down. Frank's rules aren't all that bad & for the most part his mods do a good job of weeding the "junk" from the sub-forums. I have less than 1/3 the posts there as I do here due to the focus on tatical shooting.... Since the move to their new format the selling rules are in limbo as most of their membership lost part or all of their post count.

'Flip, I beileve self moderation work pretty well, if the poster is capable of pulling their right finger from their left nostril to do so


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Old 09-16-2013, 03:49 PM
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Removal of the digit from an orfice is tough for some I guess.

Probably because they don't want their brain to run out on the floor.........

Problem is, it's not up to anyone on the forum what occurs far as format is concerned. Thats all Len and Andy. All we can do is ride along and wait and see. I believe they have their hands full with their retail outlet. Getting a store organized and profitable is a daunting task.

They are in a venue with lots of really big players that can easily afford to undercut the pricing of a small potatoes retailer.

Going from an online store (like Len has on this site) to a physical store is a quantum leap and in some ways a high risk undertaking because of the arena they are in.

Time will tell on that I guess.

I just hope that the time is alloted to this site as well as the store.

I look at the LL Bean scenario. Back when I was young, it was LL Bean. They sold about everything I needed for fly fishing and backpacking and hunting clothes and along came Cabelas, literally from nowhere (but slick marketing) and basically buried LL Bean. Gander Mountain and Bass Pro both share Cabelas marketing tactics. It's a pretty sound model but it decimates the little player. The wife got an LL bean catalog the other day. With the exception of their signature Maine Hunting Boots, there was nothing in the catalog that remotely resembled the LL Bean of 40 years ago. Thats sad.

Back then, you bought all your firearms at the LGS or hardware store and most times you ordered what you wanted because it wasn't in stock (sort of like componants are now).

Even Wallyworld has a good selection of guns now and hunting gee gaw.

The pie only slices so many ways.

BTW, this is a great thread. Glad Feenix initiated it.
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Old 09-16-2013, 04:24 PM
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I understand & agree that there are a few more things on their mind & higher on their priority list. I hope their retail outlet is a smashing success (thank god it's so far away... i'd go broke).

I applaud Len for his recent undertakings... it takes some serious backbone & willpower to handle, much less take-on, all of his recent adventures.

They're busy, I get it. Which brings my call for help back to the surface, IF we could boon-doggle a couple of our more levelheaded & active senior members into moderating for us, I personally would be pleased. Those of us (just like the guys in this thread) are more than capable of self moderation however, we can all see that our single digit posters are not.

Have you guys ever commented on the "XXX Give-Away!" threads?! I made it through 4 or 5 pages before I found a guy with a post count over 20......



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Old 09-16-2013, 06:41 PM
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I could be wrong about this but I believe the 'give away threads' encompass more than just this forum. I think it's a multi-forum contest sponsored by the respective manufacturer, again, I may be all wet.

I usually enter if it's something I could use but won't buy because I'm too cheap or don't have the money (I am retired, sort of). Some things I don't want like the shooting bench. I have a fantastic shooting bench that was once a student's desk in a public high school. It even has gum stuck underneath.

I've never won anything in my entire life. My wife won a flat screen Sony in a raffle last year. I watch it regularly (when she lets me). I doubt I'll ever 'win' anything. It's not in the cards for me.

You have to be careful how much you bite off versus what you can efficiently do and maintain. I just hope Len & company isn't taking too big of a bite.

I'm thinking that the retail store thing is for the kids and not the old man (he is a little older than I am so I can say that........ Besides, he wants to go hunting and take pictures and hunts and excursions don't run hand in hand with operating a store with regular hours and days of operation.

We are about equidistant from Len and I'd consider driving to Oshkosh just for a pair of Kennetrecks. I have a hard to fit foot and I want a pair but I'm not playing UPS tag for a pair that fits. I have Meindl's that fit well but it took some serious fit time at Cabelas, various pairs of socks and a good salesperson. I'm not ever going to get a pair unless it's first hand. That alone could cause me to drive to Oshkosh through the dreaded Land of Lincoln and Chicago.

Like walking across a bed of hot coals for a glass of Jim Beam........

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