Originally Posted by SidecarFlip
It's not really a struggle, more of an added expense for the end user. Without raising your hackles, I can't believe that JD or anyone else that has to comply has a smooth road to travel because no matter who the engine builder is, the engines all utilize the fuel to do the same thing.
Most all of this emissions crap is just that. Crap.
What occurs in the on road trucking arena is you, the consumer gets to pay for the added cost of operation in increase freight cost which 'trickles down' to you.
In the ag arena, the government helps out with the farm bill (or at least did)....
I figured you'd chime in when I mentioned JD.
Not to muddy the water but I heard that Kubota meets the Tier 4 standard without DEF. If true or false, I'm sure you know.
Tier 3 honestly was the worst stage and really the issue is isolated to injectors and carbon build up, IT4 has been solid, I can't think of a single emissions related repair to one of them, I've only changed two EGR's since we started seeing them. The higher horse power unit definitely perform better but they see way less idle time and more heavy pulling, if I see issues it's in the 100-180 class engines which around here do haying a cows so there is much more idling and less pulling.
The cost is ridiculous but the after sales cost seems to be very low which is what I have to deal with.
Just so you know I'm a master JD tech but also certified CNH, we actual sell three lines, JD, CNH and Agco parts so we try to sell the best of all brands, if Deere has a certain machine that's a pile hopefully CNH will be strong in it.
Of the Ag companies JD is the last to have to go with DEF and it will be at a very low rate which is good for total fuel economy but hopefully they aren't getting to aggressive mechanically to make it happen.
I think I read that Kabota was compliant without DEF but compliance is based on country of origin and number and HP of engine produced as well, I grew up with a couple Kabotas, the engine was good and it was a clean simple tractor but mechanically they would have issue like any other and there is no service within 3 hrs here so they've all gone away around here with the exception of the small ones, I'd own one in a heart beat over a CNH of that size, I HATE small CNH transmission rebuilding!!!!