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Old 03-09-2004, 02:47 PM
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Re: Is it the truth, B.S., B.R., or Ego?? Questions..

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Anybody who can agg close to 1 MOA or better at 600y or 1,000y has a good shot at being in the top handful of shooters at most matches. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Brent,my 10 match 100 shot group agg was 10.44 inch's(3rd).And I believe an agg of 9.7 inch's took top spot...The six match group agg was won with an 8.18 agg....In the six match group agg I finshed 14th with a 9.35.....
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Old 03-09-2004, 02:57 PM
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I'm gonna have to agree with Brent... lets break it down simply...

A out of the box Factory Hunting weight Rifle should be term accurate if it can shoot factory or handloaded ammo into ?? ie:1" groups 2" groups?

an out of the factory Varmint style rifle ( Sendero, VS, Coyote, Stealth ) with factory or handloaded ammo into?

A semi custom rifle ie: factory rifle that has a custom barrel or accurizing work done to it should be able to shoot into ??

A custom hunting rifle "sporter type" should be able to shoot into ??

etc.. etc....

I can't believe that there cannot be some sort of agreable accuracy standard for these rifles? Surly someone has to see my point... this is not to start an argument but to see what the "general concensus" is between all involved some give and take about what would be accurate ...
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Old 03-09-2004, 03:35 PM
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Since my wife and I keep the stats, I will disagree with the Ohio poster about 1 MOA or 10" winning ANYTHING at Williamsport.

For instance, the top 19 placers in the 6 match group aggregate (light guns) in 2003 were "all" under 10"

1st to 9th were 8" aggs and 10th to 19th were all in the 9" and that's only in the light guns of 16 1/2 lbs.

The heavy gun 6 match group aggs went like this.
The 1st four placers were 6" aggs.
The next 16 placers were all 7" aggs
The next 13 placers were all 8" aggs and
The next 17 placers were all 9" aggs.

I'm not throwing stones here just stating facts.
Keep in mind there are a lot of shooters at Williamsport and the competition level is extremely high.

So for someone to make a statement that to shoot 1 MOA at 1000 yards will win something, they have NEVER shot at Williamsport for the entire season.

Again I'll say, 10" aggs won't get you a cup of coffee up on that mountain top range.

Now if you figure in the 10 match aggs the groups will grow but, the winners are less then 10" or 1 MOA for all ten matches and rotating benches and relayes for the entire season. You don't get to choose the best conditions to shoot in. It's the luck of the draw or I should say the luck of the computer draw.

Hope that explains it a bit. Is that what your after?

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As an addition to my last post

Many times over the last 16 years shooting at Williamport, I have seen targets measured that had the 1st 5 shots (the pit crew plots the shots as they come in) were in 1 1/2" and I have seen, as Boyd has, the 1st 3 shots in one inch and this happens quite a lot during most any match and in most relays to.

So with accuracy like that, you can get an idea of what a good Benchrest 1000 yard rifle will do.

Like Bounty Hunter said, it's like trying to match up apples and footballs when you put a non-benchrest rifle against most "any" of the 1000 yard bench guns used today.

Don't know how you would break down the accuracy range of all rifles and their classes but, the benchrest guns will do some serious shooting. Even the heavy guns will show up the 16 1/2 lb benchrest guns in the matches.

I've never seen a factory rifle or, a tactical rifle do well in a 1000 yard benchrest match for the "entire" season.
They just were not built for the benchrest style of shooting and also 10 shots to boot. Most are built for a hunting situations and that's what they do well.

To put an accuracy range in MOA on one style of rifle compared to another, I think would be extremely hard to do.
It depends alot on the shooter and his handloading ability but, the benchrest rifle has the edge to start with tolorances that are extremely tight and built for benchrest competitions.

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[ 03-09-2004: Message edited by: Darryl Cassel ]
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Old 03-09-2004, 04:20 PM
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I am not comparing any rifle to any other rifle I am looking for a "rule of thumb" for each class of rifles...
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Old 03-09-2004, 04:34 PM
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Ric

I just explained in my post that it would be extremely hard to do with shooters being different, their handloading tecniques may be different, barrels are different, conditions are different in every area of the country and on each day.

Some factory guns will shoot fantastic groups right out of the box while, others won't. This is true with tactical guns to.
Some may shoot well while others don't.
Same with benchrest guns to. Some do better then others.

So to make a blanket statement or "guess" as to what a certain rifle or class of rifle "should" do is not possible.
It would only be a guess by "anyone" doing it.

Results of the rifles is the important issue here not something that we would all be guessing on.
If someone's gun shoots good enough for them, that's all that is important.

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