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Is it the truth, B.S., B.R., or Ego?? Questions..

 
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Old 02-28-2004, 08:49 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Good luck to you again this year Boyd. Hope you do even better then last year unless your shooting against me and in the same relay. My lawnmower is tuned up Pal.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Good luck to you also.I hope we shoot in the same relay every match.That way I could find out just how good you really are [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] .You seem to shoot better when we are on the line together.I hope you put the right "TUNE UP" kit in old mower of yours.You are gonna need it.. [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]...............P.S...I just want a chance to get my 20 back
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Old 02-28-2004, 09:46 AM
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D.C. IF your the lawn mower, I guess Id better brake out the BUSH HOG. LOL
Hope to see ya all soon. OH yea. If ya whanta see what you'll be up against look at
"Here's mine where's yours" under the Equipment thred. I'll say one thing Boyd and D.C. are a real Hoot to shoot with. Wyo: I can't make it in Aug eather, as I'm Boyd assistant in the pits at Williamsport I have obligations then. By the way the highway goes both ways ya know. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 02-28-2004, 10:20 AM
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Old 02-28-2004, 10:18 PM
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John,

Hey glad to see you post on here! I know you have alot to contribute! I missed your program on TV the other day will it air again?!?
I had a talk with my .30 Caliber's and they said your .22 cal. doesn't stand a chance next time we meet at the Shooting Complex!! ;-) 1143 yards is just a chip shot for the 300 WSM LOL!!! Hope to see ya there again!

Jody,

If the 1000 yard BR season wasn't during my tourist season you would see me there for a match or 2 and I wouldn't be shooting a "BR" rifle.. I'd be shootng one of my "non-br-tacticals" just to see how they'd stack up...

Boyd,

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>The statement was made because of the post that was directed toward me.About the factory gun.And not seeing proof.I don't have to prove myself to anyone <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wasn't doubting your ability to shoot.. you obviously can shoot from a rest type situation... I was looking for groups from you or anyone who thought that shooting from a bi-pod is the same as shooting from a rest and/or anyone who has shot groups from their bi-pod supported rifle at the distances I had shot. If someone shot as well or better I'd love to see it.. mostly because I would want to chew their ear a bit to see what techniques they employ as that technique would have obviously been better then the techniques I was/am using!
Boyd I don't have a problem with you, hell I had your back numerous times when you were getting blasted on other boards...
What I was tired of "hearing" and not necessarily from you and not necessarily about my groups were coments from guys who would comapare a guys group shot from a bi-pod or hunting type situation who had shot 3 or 5 shots and the coments would be in the relms of .. "nice but now shoot 10" or "nice , but now shoot 10 at 1022" Always in comparison to the 1K Br situation...and to my knowledge they hadn't shot groups from a bi-pod.
That prompted me to inquire to everyone .. just what exactly is the criteria for good rifles, groups, or shooting from a specific type of rifle?

The other coment that tweeked me a bit was that you were so sure that 5 shots would have evolved in to a larger group...?? I honeslty don't think so as I shot another group at 900 yards that measured 5.5" ... I'm not so sure the 750 group would have been larger..

Also, I was wondering what you based your coment on that shooting from a bi-pod is the same as shooting from a bench with rests? I know you guys use the Muley pod and I have too.. but I have found that the angle of the pod and it's contact with the ground tends to let the rifle recoil inconsitiently...

I may just end up that way in the fall for a weekend or 2 .. ya never know I may just bring the A5 tactical and let it flex it's muscles against your guys refined BR rifles...if you have a shoot during the time I'm there.. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

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Old 02-28-2004, 10:57 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>The statement was made because of the post that was directed toward me.About the factory gun.And not seeing proof.I don't have to prove myself to anyone <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ric that statement was "NOT" directed toward you.. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>What I was tired of "hearing" and not necessarily from you and not necessarily about my groups were coments from guys who would comapare a guys group shot from a bi-pod or hunting type situation who had shot 3 or 5 shots and the coments would be in the relms of .. "nice but not shoot 10" or "nice , but now shoot 10 at 1022" Alwyas in comparison to the 1K Br situation...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not once in this thread did I compare your group to a 1K Br situation.I just said try 5 the next time. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>The other coment that tweeked me a bit was that you were so sure that 5 shot would have evolved in to a larger group...?? I honeslty don't think so as I shot another group at 900 yards that measured 5.5" ... I'm not so sure the 750 group would have been larger.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>A 5.5 inch group at 900 yards is a decent group.Can you do that all the time?? <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Also, I was wondering what you based your coment on that shooting from a bi-pod is the same as shoting from a bench with rests? I know you guys use the Muley pod and I have too.. but I have found that the angle of the pod and it's contact with the ground tends to let the rifle recoil inconsitiently...

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>A round bottom factory gun on a front rest with a rear bag.You have to hold the gun much the same way you do when using a bi-pod.Myself I would rather shoot unsupported in the rear and shoot off a bi-pod.Then trying to hold that d@%m factory gun in a rear bag [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Boyd I don't have a problem with you, hell I had you back numerous times when you were getting blasted on other boards...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't have a problem with you either.Just get a little testy this time of year.With Bald Eagle 713 spying on me [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] .Darryl saying he is gonna mow my grass. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] .And you laying on the ground shooting groups at 900 yards.When the only place I can shoot is in a heated indoor 100 yard tunnel [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] .Lost my head for a few minutes [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>I may just end up that way in the fall for a weekend or 2 .. ya never know I may just bring the A5 tactical and let it flex it's muscles against your guys refined BR rifles...if you have a shoot during the time I'm there..

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You are aways welcome to join us.You could even stay in my home if you wanted.One thing tho..Bring your head wrangler [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] ...She can bunk with me [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>.. ya never know I may just bring the A5 tactical and let it flex it's muscles against your guys refined BR rifles.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Now you're talking [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 02-29-2004, 02:15 AM
 
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A whole year has gone by and some of us still have a difficult time with other people's guns shooting well off a bi-pod. Could have sworn that road has already been traveled. I have seen rifle after rifle shoot sub 1/3 MOA at 607 yards at our range in calm wind conditions.

Now, on to something more useful.....


The best way to determine a rifle's accuracy potential is to do it in a way that a valid statistical analysis can be made. The type of shooting/hunting will determine what is the most valid way to test your system.

If you are hunting, group size is not as important as ACCURACY. Clean your rifle and foul it just as you would before a hunt. Let the rifle go totally cold. Shoot one shot. Do this 30 times and plot the vertical and horizontal deviation from your intended POI separately. You will now know more than any benchrester can tell you about the capability of your hunting rifle with you shooting it.


If you are shooting in group size competitions, and you fire five shots for record, do this thirty times, and have someone like Dave King analyze your data.


If you are shooting ten shot groups in competition, you will have to fire ten shot groups in a timely manner to get the heat management characteristics of your sytem as a valid influence in your tests.


Despite what some claim, ten shot groups for analyzing a hunting or tactical rifle is RIDICULOUS!!! Unless it takes 10 shots to kill something, some of us should learn how to structure more valid tests that more closely approximate the actual usage/performance of a particular system. Having a clue about the proper use of statistics to analyze random variation would not hurt either.

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Old 02-29-2004, 08:43 AM
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Re: Is it the truth, B.S., B.R., or Ego?? Questions..

True, 5 shot groups can get the effectivness of the rifle.

I only mentioned "if" that rifle ever was entered in a 1000 yard match that shot ten shots, I wondered how it would do?

Obviously shooting from a bench and correct fitting front and rear adjustable rests would most "probably" produce better groups yet since it does well from a bipod.

It was just a quuestion to STL who shoots the rifle and has had success with it.

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