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A time to be American - GM Trucks

 
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Old 02-21-2009, 08:57 PM
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Re: A time to be American - GM Trucks

I love my gmc truck. That being said a poor business plan and the unions are to blame for the sad state they are in today. Let them file chapter 11. Restructure and possibly come out of this stronger than they were before. Bail them out no way - bail out the people tha( bought more house than they could afford - no way. Help a hard working American that has lost their job - you bet.
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Old 02-21-2009, 10:18 PM
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"BAIL EM OUT! ????
> >
> > Hell, back in 1990, the Government seized the Mustang Ranch brothel
> > in
> > Nevada for tax evasion and, as required by law, tried to run it. They
> > failed
> > and it closed. Now we are trusting the economy of our country and our
> > banking system to the same nit-wits who couldn't make money running a
> > whore
> > house and selling whiskey!"
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Old 02-21-2009, 10:26 PM
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LMAO I forgot about that you are sooooo right!!!! how hard is it to sell sex?
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Old 02-22-2009, 11:50 AM
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For many years I ONLY bought American vehicles. I never even considered a Jap auto. I must admit though that most of my new cars had recurring mechanical and service problems. The cars were often returned to the service center to address one problem or another. Brand new vehicles shouldn't need regular service but they always did.

A while ago my (then) new bride who was driving a Camero insisted on a new foreign car. Neither one of us had ever owned one before. We shopped around for quite some time and settled on a Honda Accord. It took some getting use to but the car was well built, comfortable and fuel efficient. My wife drove that car for 10 years and put 140,000 miles on it before we sold it. Guess how many times it was in the shop for repairs? NEVER - Other than routine maintenance the car was never brought back to Honda for a problem, not even once. With 140,000 mi on the car it still sold for $4,000 used.

We now have 2 Hondas and an Accura at the house and one is as good or better than the other. I guess my point to all of this is that the American car companies killed their own industry by providing cars that were noticeably sub-standard when compared to other vehicles that were readily available to the American consumer. The "big 3" had a decade to get smart and produce fuel efficient, reliable cars that re-attracted the American buyer but that obviously didn't happen.

I don't know who, specifically, is to blame but the American auto industry's image was tarnished over a long period of time and it will take many years of quality product improvements before the average car buyer looks to the American auto industry FIRST for a quality built car.

Just my 2 cents.

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Old 02-22-2009, 12:24 PM
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Re: A time to be American - GM Trucks

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For many years I ONLY bought American vehicles. I never even considered a Jap auto. I must admit though that most of my new cars had recurring mechanical and service problems. The cars were often returned to the service center to address one problem or another. Brand new vehicles shouldn't need regular service but they always did.

A while ago my (then) new bride who was driving a Camero insisted on a new foreign car. Neither one of us had ever owned one before. We shopped around for quite some time and settled on a Honda Accord. It took some getting use to but the car was well built, comfortable and fuel efficient. My wife drove that car for 10 years and put 140,000 miles on it before we sold it. Guess how many times it was in the shop for repairs? NEVER - Other than routine maintenance the car was never brought back to Honda for a problem, not even once. With 140,000 mi on the car it still sold for $4,000 used.

We now have 2 Hondas and an Accura at the house and one is as good or better than the other. I guess my point to all of this is that the American car companies killed their own industry by providing cars that were noticeably sub-standard when compared to other vehicles that were readily available to the American consumer. The "big 3" had a decade to get smart and produce fuel efficient, reliable cars that re-attracted the American buyer that obviously didn't happen.

I don't know who, specifically, is to blame but the American auto industry's image was tarnished over a long period of time and it will take many years of quality product improvements before the average car buyer looks to the American auto industry FIRST for a quality built car.

Just my 2 cents.
It's not hard to know who to blame. The union. I had this figured out 25 years ago when I was in high school. They choked the ability of the US auto industry to produce quality products. If they built the same quality as the foreign autos they would cost twice as much because of labor cost. Labor cost is not just the hourly wage + benefits. It is also the inability to expect performance from the work force. A work force that does not have performance based pay does not work hard. This compounds the cost of labor. Then come the inefficiencies that are put into place by regulations implemented by the unions. People filing grievances because some one else with less seniority got to go on break before they did. Worker that can't do certain things because it is not in their job description. Mean while waiting for the employee that has that job description, but he won't show up because he is on his break, and the whole place shuts down, until he is off his break.

Give me a break. We have labor laws, the unions are useless. They need to be broken.

Then you look at the so called stimulus package. It sends money (that has no value because it was printed out of thin air) to unions and Government agencies exclusively. The common man will not get any benefit. It's going to put us all in the bread line faster than any of us ever thought possible.

The good thing is we have elections every two years.

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Old 02-22-2009, 03:08 PM
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Re: A time to be American - GM Trucks

It seems a bit too convenient and maybe even trendy to blame the union for everything. Big decisions are made at high levels where blue-collar input is rarely welcome.

I work for a unionized workplace myself. Our union protects employees from unfair practices including the indiscriminate use of discipline. Yeah - workers do get disciplined and even fired, but they do get competent representation so that workers can expect a fair shake. The system seems to work for both sides.

As far as salary and benefits, contracts change all the time, we do not always gain but have seen some losses when times got tough. No one here is making the $70/hr that I see typed on the web re: UAW. Actually, an entry level position is around $30K (sometimes lower) and new employees contribute towards their health care.

I for one, fully support our union which has not been an undue burden on the employer but has ensured that everyone has a reasonably good place to work. Employees can come to work each day without the fear of being unfairly treated by a supervisor who is just having a bad day.
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