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View Poll Results: Most Accurate Hunting Rifle Out Of The Box
Browning 31 4.08%
Cooper 90 11.86%
CZ 12 1.58%
Dakota 7 0.92%
Henry 0 0%
Howa 13 1.71%
Kimber 4 0.53%
Marlyn 5 0.66%
NEF 1 0.13%
Remington 125 16.47%
Sako 77 10.14%
Savage 275 36.23%
Steyr 10 1.32%
Thompson 9 1.19%
Weatherby 37 4.87%
Winchester 19 2.50%
Other 44 5.80%
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Right Out Of The Box----

 
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:01 PM
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.........but the skilled people are. Look at LS Starrett in Athol Mass. Best precision tools on the planet, bar none.

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"Skilled people"...LOL

You mean Unionized people who dictate the terms of employment?...Machines are the "skilled" people.....



I believe in a fair wage for fair amount of work, but I don't believe in extortion and the Unions have been doin that for years now in private and especially in Public sectors........
I have no idea if, in fact or not, LSStarrett is unionized or not, but your analogy is wrong.

It's the skilled people that make the machines to repilcate their skills and it still takes the skilled toolmaker to do the final inspections. Always.

One reason I buy LS Starret. I get what I pay for and their tools last for generations and hold their value.

Far as political climates go, everyone east of the Old Muddy sucks.........

Maybe we should all move out west but then there would be nothing left to bitch about......

....and nothing to hunt because there would be too many people hunting.....
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Can't hardly believe that is legal or constitutional............But I live in Kalifornia, so I have seen some remarkable things.............
I bet you have. ...... I liken California to the East Coast with better weather.....
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One believe it was removed.....Good news, but now Illegal immigrant criminals go free in this state.
I just want to know if any are buried under all the snow you just got?????

Amazing, the Obama Regime wants to take the guns and lets the illegal aliens that commit crimes skate (why would it not suprise me that you have a Democrat governor????), only assuming, I don't actually know.

Is there really a sign that states you have to check your rifles with the State police upon entering your state? Removed or repealed? Thats wild, but then the guidebook for concealed carry rules that vary widely from state to state is wild too. More thus and thats and do's and don't than you may.....

Put your piece in your pocket and keep your mouth shut, I say.
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.........but the skilled people are. Look at LS Starrett in Athol Mass. Best precision tools on the planet, bar none.

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"Skilled people"...LOL

You mean Unionized people who dictate the terms of employment?...Machines are the "skilled" people.....



I believe in a fair wage for fair amount of work, but I don't believe in extortion and the Unions have been doin that for years now in private and especially in Public sectors........
JUST FOR THE RECORD ==savage arms is a UNION COMPANY...i have been there several times and pretty much met everyone there including== ron corbin
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.........but the skilled people are. Look at LS Starrett in Athol Mass. Best precision tools on the planet, bar none.

Ruger actually moved all arms production to Prescott, Arizona a while back. It maintains offices in New Hampshire and their investment casting facility is there and possibly prototype development but the production guns are made in Arizona. Now, if they could just make a decent trigger......

Don't forget about Colt Industries. They are out in the North East somewhere. Colt is a very large first tier supplier for the government and DOD.

I believe (could be wrong) but I think Colt casts the aluminum alloy lowers for Kimber, Ruger, Wilson and themselves.

I'm suprised that Ruger don't do them for everyone. They have a fantastic reputation for very high quality investment castings. I owm a fine example of Strum Ruger's investment cast actions. My mini 14 Target's upper is a work of art.
here's one for you! Smith & Wesson has a state of the art forge shop, and one of the big items they make is golf club drivers.
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.........but the skilled people are. Look at LS Starrett in Athol Mass. Best precision tools on the planet, bar none.

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"Skilled people"...LOL

You mean Unionized people who dictate the terms of employment?...Machines are the "skilled" people.....



I believe in a fair wage for fair amount of work, but I don't believe in extortion and the Unions have been doin that for years now in private and especially in Public sectors........
aside from that fact that your post presents a low skill level in attitude, I find it kinda funny. But tell me how many jet engines are built in WV or how many gears are cut there that are in the one percent catagory? That would be zero of course. Skill levels dictate wage levels in most cases. Or better yet how many folks over there can even read a micrometer down to one then thousandths of an inch consistantly. Run a five axis CNC machine center. Cut 17PH4 stainless steel without trashing it.

There is an old axiom that says that anybody can run a good machine, but not everybody can run a bad machine. Let me know when you can take a Monarch hand lathe and hold .001" all day long. I can point a hundred folks that can without a second thought, but can you?

You wouldn't last three hours on an assembly line putting a transmission together! Let alone a complicated one like a tank transmission that moves down the line at a very slow pace. Try cutting a housing sometime on a five axis machine center and not break the machine in the process. Idiots think they are button pushers, but even their boss knows they are highly skilled at what they do.
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A union company....Like most companies east of the Missipppi are......

I have no issue with a union company or union members. My issue lies with the fact that when a union dictates to an employer, irrational work rules and the employer concedes (for whatever reason) and then the union protects and condones non productive behavior, that spells doom for the employer/company.

A real good example is the Post Office and the Postal Union. It's the stifling work rules that is causing the post office to run huge deficits, not management or rates. They can't be competitive with independent companies like UPS or Fed-Ex because the union contracts are so binding.

The company I work for has stayed non-union in a union atmosphere in the indusrty we are in because they compensate their employees and offer a benefit package equal to or better than their unionized counterparts, a good philosophy far as I'm concerned.

Colt is union as well and I suspect Strum Ruger is too and it's of no consequence so long as they can sell in the marketplace at competitive prices, which, I know Savage can and offer an out of the box accurate firearm as well.

It all depends on good business practice and balancing costs with product pricing.
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