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Which rifle would you take into this situation?

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Old 02-19-2007, 05:43 PM
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Re: Which rifle would you take into this situation?

I'm going to have to second the 458 wm. The black bear is no problem but the lion presents something different. With most of the loads for the 45-70, you might be underpowered.

If the 458 is good enough for most PHs then it should work for me. BUT if there weren't the black bear part it would be a 470 Nitro.
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Old 02-19-2007, 05:51 PM
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Re: Which rifle would you take into this situation?

I have thought about this type of thing a time or two while fishing for brookies in the back country of Montana standing on a beaver dam 15 miles from the nearest road!!!

While I have never played with one and do not even know if it has been done, I think I know what I would use if I could snap my fingers and have the ultimate light weight packing back up firearm.

JD Jones of SSK industry fame made a round called the 470 JDJ which is a 45-70 necked up to 475 cal. I think this round in a rebarreled Marlin Guide gun and loaded with a custom 500 gr heat treated hard case bullet of the Wide Flat Nose Gas Checked design would be about as good as anything.

A hard case 500 gr pill will allow much more velocity then the same weight jacketed bullet and will also penetrate just as well as any solid or FMJ bullet.

I would try to load her up to around 1950 fps with a good ghost ring and front post sight. That would be my choice if it were a snap your fingers and have it type of deal. There would be more work then that to it however.

A 450 Alaskan would also be a great choice or a 50 Alaskan. Not sure if they would fit in the Marlin however. I think they will but have not seen one.

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Old 02-19-2007, 06:17 PM
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Re: Which rifle would you take into this situation?

A well broken in pair of Nike 30-40's should do the job.
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Old 02-19-2007, 09:00 PM
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Re: Which rifle would you take into this situation?

I'd gladly take one of my tactical 1100 Remingtons with slugs, it will hold 9, 2 3/4" Winchester Supreme Sabot slugs. They shoot a 385 gr partion slug around 1900 out of my guns, it holds 9 rounds and I can load it 3 times as fast as a guide gun. On top of all that it is an honest 150 yd gun.
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Old 02-19-2007, 09:23 PM
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Re: Which rifle would you take into this situation?

If I lived in the USA I would use a AR 10 in 470 Rhino.A 8 shot semi auto that matchs 470 nitro ballitics. Got to love that! A second choice would be a Shorty hunter in 416 rem mag again a 8 shot magazine.
A boring choice would be a bolt action in 458 lott or 500 Asquare.
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Old 02-19-2007, 09:26 PM
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Re: Which rifle would you take into this situation?

Buffalobob, you must have some wheels on you if that is all you would want.
I dont know who ever came up with the imaganary word of "Over Gunned"
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Old 02-20-2007, 09:53 AM
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Re: Which rifle would you take into this situation?

A Merkel double rifle in 9.3x74R, using 286grain Speer grand slam or nosler partition.

Or a shotgun, using slugs.
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