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The Practice of Scoping.

 
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Old 10-21-2013, 02:09 PM
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The Practice of Scoping.

Wondering how many people do this, know of people who do this, and why it is done? This is simply the practice of using your scope to view objects, in particular, ME.

As I kid I knew to not point a loaded weapon at people and I used the very nice scope on my rifle to see distance objects. Occasionally I would see people, albeit, very rarely. Today there are hordes of people out there and I see very few with a good set of Bino's so I know they scope objects.

What lead me to this question is how I react to it. I don't react well and I literally start shaking with anger and adrenaline. I was scoped from 130 yards Saturday and I started to go nuts. I don't want anything bad to happen, which is why I stopped rifle hunting a long time ago. I can't handle it. I want the kids to experience the outdoors and hunting so I am trying to deal with it better and seeking some alternative view points. A guy at work said he used to do it too but thinks this guy and others, especially at close range like that, are doing it intentionally. For example, to intimidate others.

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Old 10-21-2013, 02:35 PM
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Re: The Practice of Scoping.

I don't much care for it either. That's why I hunt in away from people areas, for the most part.

When too many people around I ghillie up and remain pretty much stationary. Thus I see them before they are aware of me. I bino them regularly.

An experience from years a go.

Two of us were on a ridge in sage just above tree tops. Third fellow was down in the trees.

3 hunters w/horses were glassing the side hill below us from the next ridge over. It was a cow elk hunt. One of the more dangerous hunts as far as I'm concerned.

The three horse hunters brought their weapons to bear and cut loose. I knew that the two of us were in their scope's field of view.

I could hear the bullets snap and impact a few yards below us in the trees.

I said to my buddy, "To hell with this!" The idea was to stop the shooting. Also this was long before my LRH days but I knew my rifle quite well.

I figured that a little dust about 30 yards or so below them would get their attention. Especially when they couldn't help but see me pretty much aiming at them and firing.

I asked my buddy to spot the hits for me telling him which rock I was targeting.

First shot was good enough. Two more shots were in the same small area.

Last I saw was three horseman dropping over the other side going away.

Haven't had to do that since!

If that happened today, I'd catch 'em on video, video them at camp and post social media and F&G.
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Old 10-21-2013, 03:10 PM
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Re: The Practice of Scoping.

See, my anger stopped me from pulling my camera out and videoing this POS instead I was giving this jack the finger while going in to an offensive kneeing posture with a LR rifle. Must have been a bit intimidating for him to see this process carried out so quickly. I don't really remember ripping the rifle off my kids shoulder but he does. He said he tried to hang on to it but I was in a zone.

I like the vid idea, that will be my weapon of choice if it happens again. We watched 3 dudes from roughly 2500 - 3000 yards out. 1 nut job pulled a pistol out and was pointing at his buddies and acting out the shot. The similuted shot made us whince. We thought OMG he just killed that......wait, is he playing? That was one of the most bizarre things I have seen yet. Who does that?
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Old 10-21-2013, 05:53 PM
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Re: The Practice of Scoping.

I guess I am somewhere in the middle. I use my scope to glass from time to time. I especially use it to judge animals as the reticle I have helps me measure. There have been more than one occasion where I was glassing an animal with my scope, saw something else through it and ended up scoping some other hunters. I think the difference is I immediately took the scope down and off of them. I doubt they even saw me.

I agree with Roy. I hunt as far back in as I can to avoid this. It has been a long time since I hunted the low country in a general season. One of the reasons I like archery, fewer people to bug me!

Not an easy issue. It would be nice just to trust guys to do the right thing but today . . . not so much. If guys would just use some common sense it wouldn't be such a big deal. A lot of yahoo's out there.

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Old 10-21-2013, 06:05 PM
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Re: The Practice of Scoping.

It's not only wrong (based on what our generations were taught) but it is also quite illegal, at least it is in Wyoming.

In WY, if one points a gun at another person it is deemed "reckless endangerment". It applies whether or not the gun is loaded. It is a serious misdemeanor and if convicted is punishable only by jail time, up to a year.
Theoretically, a person would not be convicted if they were pointing the gun in necessary defense of themselves or others or per statute:

unless reasonably necessary in defense of his person, property or abode or to prevent serious bodily injury to another.

I would personally consider myself in serious danger if I noticed someone pointing a scoped rifle at me. Especially after it was obvious that I was another person and not some game animal. Hard to say what lengths a person might go to in order to defend themselves when they feel their life in imminent danger.

IMO, when possible, the people who use scopes to purposely watch or spot another hunter; ideally should be filmed and then somehow identified so they can be charged and prosecuted.

For anyone reading this that is a "scoper".....Binoculars and/or spotting scopes aren't expensive, they're easy to get and they probably wont get you shot if you're looking at someone through them.
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Old 10-21-2013, 06:16 PM
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Re: The Practice of Scoping.

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I guess I am somewhere in the middle. I use my scope to glass from time to time. I especially use it to judge animals as the reticle I have helps me measure. There have been more than one occasion where I was glassing an animal with my scope, saw something else through it and ended up scoping some other hunters. I think the difference is I immediately took the scope down and off of them. I doubt they even saw me.

I agree with Roy. I hunt as far back in as I can to avoid this. It has been a long time since I hunted the low country in a general season. One of the reasons I like archery, fewer people to bug me!

Not an easy issue. If guys would just use some common sense it wouldn't be such a big deal. A lot of yahoo's out there.

Scot E.
I am sure we've all at one time or another accidentally found another hunter in our scope field of view. Like you said, the difference is ceasing that action as soon as it's realized.

IMO, those that continue to "watch" through their scopes are setting themselves up for either prosecution or possibly something way worse.
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Old 10-21-2013, 08:07 PM
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Re: The Practice of Scoping.

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Wondering how many people do this, know of people who do this, and why it is done? This is simply the practice of using your scope to view objects, in particular, ME.
I sure hope I don't know anyone who does this. If I was with someone putting a riflescope on a person their rifle would get stepped on quick. If I was on the other end, I would be thoroughly freaked out. Out with my kids? Cant even imagine.

People don't think.... You get a guy like Roy and he warns you off. You get someone with "issues" and you get SHOT.

I can't imagine what would make someone think it is OK to watch someone through rifle glass....

Semi-related, I found myself downrange of an idiot playing target practice with no backstop, just shooting his pistol off into the woods (not in a remote area, either). When they didnt stop when i ate dirt and screamed my lungs out i took offense. Called the Sheriff and the deputy says "I'm not going back there, they might still be out". Took 6 follow up calls before they go to the guys house. He says "wasn't me". They say "OK".

Sent him a nice registered letter letting him know if it happened again I would have to assume it was intentional - haven't heard him popping off since

Nutty people out there, got to watch out for your own safety!!
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