Marines grade their equipment

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This has been around a while.

lots of bs there.

I Have not heard any troop complain about the m16/m4 or 249 weapons system.

Matt

[Buffalobob]

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Guess it just depends on one's individual experience, and what one's heard from people they trust.

Ford vs. Chevy, anyone?


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Agree 100%. Time and place for each caliber and gun (I haven't picked up a piece of military hardware since 1972 so obviuosly I know nothing about the new weapons systems).

[mhg]

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Who on this board would pick .223 as their first choice for deer hunting? Imagine the deer has an AK or RPG pointed back at you. Good for the Marines for going back to 308. Gotta like those in command for taking care of their guys and business.

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Try Deer hunting with plate carrier, mav, 6 loaded 7.62 mags, radio gear etc. Now remember it's hot sometimes.

Also try getting in and out of vehicles all day long. Working in confined spaces with several other team members etc.

That m14 starts to suck pretty quick.

Matt

BTW Deer are alot tougher than Humans

[Buffalobob]

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Imagine the deer has an AK or RPG pointed back at you.

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I do not have to imagine. I can just reach over and check my pulse to see whether the M-16 will out perform the AK-47.

[James Jones]

I would take a 223 loaded with a 77gr Match King over a 308 with a FMJ ball round any day on human targets and light armor.
I think that the idea of going to a bigger bullet like the SPC idea is a good but I don't think that the complete retooling of the gun is called for nor is it worth the trouble if you still gonna be shooting FMJ ammo
Simply necking the 223 case up to 6mm would make for a more effecient round in the short barreld M-4 and it would feed alot better also. capped with a 70-80gr bullet it would have 600yd ballistic capibility much better on target performance and all that would be required would be a barrel change.

[jeffbird]

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I would take a 223 loaded with a 77gr Match King over a 308 with a FMJ ball round any day on human targets and light armor.
I think that the idea of going to a bigger bullet like the SPC idea is a good but I don't think that the complete retooling of the gun is called for nor is it worth the trouble if you still gonna be shooting FMJ ammo
Simply necking the 223 case up to 6mm would make for a more effecient round in the short barreld M-4 and it would feed alot better also. capped with a 70-80gr bullet it would have 600yd ballistic capibility much better on target performance and all that would be required would be a barrel change.

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JD, aren't rank and file all restricted to FMJ regardless of whether its 5.56, 7.62, 9mm or .45?

[Dave King]

FMJ is not a fast requirement, Sierra MatchKing bullets are allowed when last I checked. The Hauge Convention has been examined by lawyers apparently, MatchKings are not forbidden for use against enemy combatants.